19:14 pm
RT @DiceyTroop: #NYCGA is in the park tonight! But I can't livetweet unless someone has a hotspot b/c I can't pay my phone bill. Arrr. #OWS
19:31 pm
Hey fam! We're starting #NYCGA at Liberty Square! Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4. #OWS
19:31 pm
[Big ups to Patricia from TechOps for letting me tether to her phone tonight. -Ed.] #NYCGA #OWS
19:33 pm
First announcement: Sean: "Brookfield is effing w/ us tonite! I overheard their plan!" They'll leave property in the park hoping we take it.
19:34 pm
2nd announcement: Fri, 5-9pm, there'll be a film screening & discussion: "Repression & Resistance, From the Panthers to #OWS", Judson Church
19:36 pm
Stairs (Corey and Lady) ask if we need to review hand signals - Anthony says we should. "First time back in the park in awhile!" #NYCGA #OWS
19:36 pm
Lady: "These are our hand signals. If you like something, twinkle your fingers in the air! If you don't like something, down twinkle." #OWS
19:36 pm
Cont'd: "If you're not sure, twinkle somewhere in the middle." Point of information is 1 finger in air, point of process: 2-handed triangle.
19:37 pm
Stairs encourages us to use point of process to hold them accountable. "If we get out of process, put up a PoP." #NYCGA #OWS
19:45 pm
Cont'd: "We went to Finance and they essentially said, "We're not going to give you the money." Recently, they said, "We screwed up.""#NYCGA
19:45 pm
Cont'd: "The money is going to go to two things: expenses for OccuCopy that prints" most of #OWS' prints, and the rest… #NYCGA #OWS
19:45 pm
Cont'd: "Will go into seed money to start other co-ops." Some may be inside #OWS - Kitchen, Tech-Ops, etc - or outside #OWS. #NYCGA
19:45 pm
Cont'd: "So, we're gonna collect the $6,000." Chepe notes he's a member of OccuCopy, asks if there's any displeasure. It's all uptwinkles!
19:46 pm
Sorry, Internet connection's a little bit iffy. So, the first tweet of that didn't make it up- Chepe was talking about $6k allocated for...
19:46 pm
Cont'd: …the Worker's Co-operatives seed fund in November, which they weren't able to get until now, but will now receive. #NYCGA #OWS
19:48 pm
OK, so we're onto our first proposal. It's a discussion about transportation alternatives from the Bike Coalition working group. #NYCGA #OWS
19:49 pm
They're suggesting that we set aside some of the Metrocard money for bikes, and sort of move folks from cards to bikes. #NYCGA #OWS
19:49 pm
CQ: "Who's going to own these bicycles when you buy them, and do you have a budget of cost per bike + insurance?" #NYCGA #OWS
19:49 pm
Notes that soon every bike rider in NYC will need to have bicycle insurance. #NYCGA #OWS
19:51 pm
Mandolin, the proposer, says they plan to have a training program before giving out bikes. Found average wrking bike on craigslist was $123.
19:51 pm
Cont'd: He notes that if they needed insurance they would factor that into the per-bike cost. #NYCGA #OWS
19:52 pm
Next speaker says he's been working with "Occupy a Truer Christianity", and asks if we have enough bail money, food $, says that… #NYCGA
19:52 pm
Cont'd: …should be a priority. Camille's POI: "We absolutely have enough bail money and there's a proposal re: that later." #NYCGA #OWS
19:53 pm
Next CQ restates question about who owns the bikes, asks if there will be qualifications for receiving a bike. #NYCGA #OWS
19:53 pm
A: "Essentially, since #OWS doesn't, like, give ppl things, they'd be shared, communal bikes for working groups. So, say 1 has 5 bikes.."
19:54 pm
Cont'd: "…they'd be shared by the people who'd been through the safety training class. So the qualifications for having access would be..."
19:54 pm
Cont'd: "…having gone through the training class and being a member of a working group with bikes." #NYCGA #OWS
19:54 pm
CQ: "How would the bikes be assigned to working groups?" POI: "The bikes would kind of replace Metrocards, so process would be the same."
19:55 pm
CQ: "What's to prevent somebody from riding off with the bicycle?" A: "The prevention would be, you have to be in a working group and…"
19:55 pm
Cont'd: "…provide a source of contact." Also, may need a vouching/vetting process. #NYCGA #OWS
19:56 pm
6 minutes left for this proposal. CQ: "Have you given any thought to tandem bikes, possibly cutting costs and labor?" #NYCGA #OWS
19:56 pm
A: "A little thought has been given to tandem bikes -- but they're super expensive." Aww. #NYCGA #OWS
20:02 pm
CQ: "Has your group thought about doing a Critical Mass-type action for outreach purposes?" A: "Every week, Tues, 5pm!" #NYCGA #OWS
20:02 pm
Now, concerns. Camille's is that if we don't do something like this, we'll miss chance to be more sustainable before we run out of $. #NYCGA
20:03 pm
Camille's friendly amendment was to work with the workers' co-op. Mandolin accepts the FA. #NYCGA #OWS
20:03 pm
Anthony's friendly amendment is that we ask for free bikes on Craigslist and try to save. "And, Fuck Monsanto!" Mandolin says he's tried.
20:03 pm
OK, that's the end of stack. There's no proposal, but we're all pretty positive about the idea. Mandolin will bring a proposal to #NYCSC.
20:03 pm
Next proposal is that we have "one GA for actions, and two GAs for everything else." "I'm indebted to the campers, kitchen, facilitation."
20:04 pm
Cont'd: "We all have to choose what we're doing. I'm here for American Spring, I'm here for action." Is frustrated about GA focus on...
20:05 pm
Cont'd: …organizational dialogue. Wants more action! POI: "You're missing a big action planning meeting right now." #NYCGA #OWS
20:06 pm
[This gets at ongoing challenges to help ppl plug into the things they're interested in. It's happening, but she's new, doesn't know. -Ed.]
20:07 pm
POI: "There's a meeting going on right know about #M17; there's DA meetings several times a week, sometimes more specific." #NYCGA #OWS
20:08 pm
CQ: "Have you joined direct action?" A: "Yes, I'm in the Political action group." That's not DA, folks note. "Point is we don't spend…"
20:08 pm
Cont'd: "…enough time on actions. We're not here to socialize." #NYCGA #OWS
20:09 pm
POI: "Direct action has created an action spokescouncil," fully dedicated to actions. Proposer: "OK, why don't I make an amendment?" #nycga
20:10 pm
Cont'd: "…let's have one hour a week, at the same time every week, to talk about actions, so I don't have to be here." Hahah. #NYCGA #OWS
20:11 pm
CQ: "As I understand it, you want to have 1 GA be for actions and 2 for everything else. Are you aware of the multitude of proposals that.."
20:11 pm
Cont'd: "…have been brought to restructure GA?" She just knows she comes to GA and there's no action talk, she says. #NYCGA #OWS
20:11 pm
Ravi understands her predicament, but runs through our action meetings. "We're doing so much. I think a logical proposal would be to do…"
20:12 pm
Cont'd: "…reportbacks on actions, but if we did that for every action that happens here it would take hours a week." #NYCGA #OWS
20:12 pm
Cont'd: "GA is about how we make decisions as a community, so my question is, are you talking about reportbacks? Discussions? We can't..."
20:12 pm
Cont'd: "..rearrange our entire GA schedule for you - many of us rearrange" our lives to be here. #NYCGA #OWS
20:13 pm
Proposer: "I do feel most of the discussions are about community and things like that, and the actions, the protests really are a small..."
20:13 pm
Cont'd: "…part of the GAs." Ravi: "But it's a big part of the movement." #NYCGA #OWS
20:13 pm
CQ: "Why do you feel this conversation needs to happen at GA when Direct Action can hold autonomous actions?" #NYCGA #OWS
20:13 pm
Ravi: "And so can everyone else." Anthony: "Autonomous!" (Autonomous! We respond.) #NYCGA #OWS
20:14 pm
She feels it should happen at GA. CQ: "GA is representative of we the people, and is our body of decision-making." "If you want action…"
20:15 pm
Cont'd: "…there's plenty of action groups available. Please find one that suits you best." She's not impressed. #NYCGA #OWS
20:16 pm
Aaron gets up. "I've done many direct actions through the GA. You can do that. My suggestion is you build a coalition of people. You know?"
20:17 pm
Cont'd: "You approach people you want to make a team with, and you make it happen." Proposer: "I guess what I'm really asking the group..."
20:17 pm
Cont'd: "…is for you guys to be more sensitive about the people you don't know. And be more sensitive, supportive of the action groups."
20:18 pm
[There's a big disconnect here. -Ed.] CQ: "1st, I think this is a really good proposal; I hope we don't miss that due to hostility here."
20:18 pm
Cont'd: "The way we do things is DA talks about actions, decides if someone will be an affinity group or #OWS action - would this change…"
20:18 pm
Cont'd: "…things so there'd be a GA proposal for every action? That would really be a problem." #NYCGA #OWS
20:18 pm
She wants DA to bring their actions to GA, at least for one hour a week. Notes that random people often have great action ideas. #NYCGA #OWS
20:19 pm
She says she suggested a 24-hour occupation for the 6-month anniversary, and nothing happened. POI: "That's what's happening!" #NYCGA #OWS
20:20 pm
Matthew notes: "This is about a communication problem we have in general in this movement." #NYCGA #OWS
20:20 pm
Next: James, from the People's Library. He drops in to tell us they've almost finished their first public branch in the back of a bookstore!
20:21 pm
Big laughs -- totally out of process, but it broke the tension a little bit. Moving to concerns and friendly amendments. #NYCGA #OWS
20:21 pm
C: "My concern is there's a certain amount of hostility, and I don't blame you for it." "I've put in 30-50 hours a week while going to..."
20:22 pm
Cont'd: "…school and" holding down life. Notes the POI was on point. "My concern is you're feeling frustrated." #NYCGA #OWS
20:22 pm
Cont'd: "I'm concerned about the slight hostility that seems to be behind this proposal, and I just want you to feel comfortable in this.."
20:22 pm
Cont'd: "…community." Proposer: "You're right, I'm a little frustrated. I'm here for American Spring." #NYCGA #OWS
20:23 pm
Cont'd: "I'm hoping we're going to get this together for some action!" She sees the tweets, doesn't see enough about actions. #NYCGA #OWS
20:23 pm
Cont'd: "And I spent so much time with this, & I wonder if I'm the only one." Everyone shakes their head sympathetically, "No, you're not."
20:25 pm
OK, we're out of time -- temp-checking continuing the proposal / discussion for 10 minutes. #NYCGA #OWS
20:25 pm
Continuing. "I like the idea of talking about our actions at GA -- maybe an hour once a week, a recap, improving going fwd." #NYCGA #OWS
20:26 pm
Cont'd: "It would be a big help for a lot of us." But "direct action is not the only group that organizes actions in this mvmnt." #nycga
20:26 pm
Cont'd: "There are other groups and other organizations that plan actions." Shouts to Occupy the Faith's actions the other day. #NYCGA #OWS
20:26 pm
Cont'd: "This is a horizontal movement, and actions are horizontal, and we're showing a presence in other movements." #NYCGA #OWS
20:26 pm
Cont'd: "So, I just think we need to open up the idea that actions are a lot more than things we create ourselves and come from DA." #NYCGA
20:27 pm
Cont'd: "We're pretty active, actually. There've been actions the last 3 days." #NYCGA #OWS
20:27 pm
Anthony: "Our GA was built for us to have discussions on whatever we want; you could easily post a proposal once a week for an hour of…"
20:29 pm
Cont'd: "…discussion about actions." Proposer says Lady gave her the same idea. Hopes we talk more about actions in general. #NYCGA #OWS
20:29 pm
Someone lets proposer know know that they were interested in her anti-Monsanto action, but was going to talk to her after GA. #NYCGA #OWS
20:30 pm
Next: "I sympathize w/ yr frustration, but most of us are saying we're willing to help you. I think it's a lack of communication about…"
20:30 pm
Cont'd: "…where you need to be." But "let's not mess with the GA as it is." #NYCGA #OWS
20:30 pm
Cont'd: "Don't get frustrated. It's a lack of communication, but you'll learn where you need to be" to do actions. #NYCGA #OWS
20:31 pm
Aaron: "i don't want to just limit the discussion to 1 hour a week. We're going to be busy this spring/summer. We need to be open…" #NYCGA
20:31 pm
Cont'd: "…about discussing this any time, really. Any actions, any time." #NYCGA #OWS
20:32 pm
Anthony tells her about the Friday open spaces, 6-10pm, when you can talk about any topic of interest for some time. #NYCGA #OWS
20:32 pm
Aaron notes that he'll bring an action proposal Saturday to the GA, and he wants to be able to do that any time, not 1 hour a week. #NYCGA
20:33 pm
Proposer's concern is she'll come to GA and sit for "1 hour or 2 hours" of things she's not interested in. [Head exploding. -Ed.] #NYCGA
20:34 pm
C: "My concern is that a couple different vague things have been said; it's a cool proposal and I share the proposer's concern that we…"
20:34 pm
Cont'd: "..should be able to discuss actions any time," but most ppl planning actions can't be at GA all the time, doing other work. #NYCGA
20:34 pm
So, she makes a friendly amendment that actions can be discussed any time, but to have the first hour of every Tuesday GA be about actions.
20:35 pm
OK, so we'll move to consensus on that version of the proposer: action discussion the first hour every Thursday GA. (She liked Thursday.)
20:35 pm
Cont'd; "And if there's not any action, we can move on to other things." Moving to consensus process now. #NYCGA #OWS
20:37 pm
Stairs temp-checking moving to consensus; we're a go. Any standasides? Anthony is standing aside b/c feels this is unnecessary, we can...
20:38 pm
Cont'd: …discuss anything whenever. There are actually 22 standasides. "Any blocks?" Aaron is blocking. #NYCGA #OWS
20:38 pm
Aaron: "I don't want to show up on Wednesday and be told we already had this discussion on Tuesday." "What?" several ppl say. #NYCGA #OWS
20:40 pm
POP: "Aaron, a block should be a moral, ethical, or safety concern about the movement as a whole. I'd ask you to consider whether that…"
20:41 pm
Cont'd: "…is an appropriate block, and not a personal preference." Aaron says he'll remove his block if there's a FA that DA can be....
20:41 pm
Cont'd: …discussed at any time. "That was already made clear in the friendly amendment accepted before." #NYCGA #OWS
20:42 pm
Ravi's POP is that in our process, when there are so many standasides compared to # here, even w/ no blocks, it's not consensus. #NYCGA #OWS
20:42 pm
Someone suggests we temperature check that, because many of the standasides were more about ambivalence than opposition. #NYCGA #OWS
20:43 pm
Anthony suggests that the proposal should go through. Evan notes that "the General Assembly is a general assembly"- it should be flexible.
20:44 pm
We're recounting standasides to make sure we have the number right. 22 standasides. Stairs invite more standasides to speak. #NYCGA #OWS
20:44 pm
Sean notes that the proposal doesn't change anything unless DA is here. "Your point is that sometimes you're not interested in…" #NYCGA #OWS
20:45 pm
Cont'd: "…what's being discussed; that's listed on http://t.co/OzXDORvv." Proposer says she's used it, but is bugged by order of proposals.
20:46 pm
OK, moving to consensus again. Any blocks? There are 5 blocks this time. Folks will speak to them. #NYCGA #OWS
20:46 pm
Evan says he'll explain his block and then throw up a PoP: "The ethical concern is we're making the GA not a 'general' assembly." #NYCGA
20:47 pm
Also notes 22 is too many standasides, and we should move on. Ravi's block is based on the same principle. "The community's clearly not.."
20:47 pm
Cont'd: "…OK with the proposal, and it should be tabled." OK, Stairs will temp-check tabling the proposal. #NYCGA #OWS
20:48 pm
Yup, tabling it. OK, moving on to the next proposal. #NYCGA #OWS
20:49 pm
Announcement: "Today was a really warm day! When it's warm, try to have WG meetings in the park to have a presence here!" #NYCGA #OWS
20:50 pm
OK, the next proposal is Christine's proposal to "move the rest of the general fund into the bail fund." "There's been a lot of talk..."
20:51 pm
Cont'd: "..about how to use the money; folks proposed using it for actions, and that didn't happen." #NYCGA #OWS
20:51 pm
Cont'd: "We're going into MayDay and I want to make sure there's as much money in the bail fund as possible." #NYCGA #OWS
20:52 pm
Stairs opens stack for clarifying questions. CQ: "Have we received any of the bail $ back that we've paid out, and if so, is that…" #NYCGA
20:52 pm
Cont'd: "…$ going to go back into the existing bail fund?" A: "It is, and we are getting $ back." #NYCGA #OWS
20:52 pm
Ravi's CQ: "In terms of all the $ and stuff like that, do you have a date envisioned, that we'd do recurring budgets through a certain…"
20:52 pm
Cont'd: "…date, and then it would be over? Like they'd go through Saturday or something." Kitchen, Metrocards, etc. #NYCGA #OWS
20:53 pm
A: "OK, we could do Saturday, or a week from today." They're going with a week. #NYCGA #OWS
20:54 pm
CQ: "There was a proposal in January to put $100k in the bail fund." What happened with that? A: "It did go through," it's at abt $89k now.
20:54 pm
Cont'd: "But the more in there, the better." Accounting clarifies the general fund has between $30-40k, which is about 2 more weeks. #NYCGA
20:56 pm
Accounting asks if new donations'd go into the bail fund, or if it would restart the general fund. A: "I'd prefer we restart the gen fund."
20:57 pm
CQ: "How much would it cost us for arrest and related bailout?" For 1 arrest. POI: "The average bails have been about $2k, but depending…"
20:57 pm
Cont'd: "…on yr charges, could be more serious." I.e., if you have past arrests, and you get a misdemeanor, single-digit thou… #NYCGA #OWS
20:57 pm
Cont'd: "…if you get charged w/ a felony, it might be double-digit thousands." Only super big ones were paid by independent donors...#NYCGA
20:58 pm
Cont'd: …due to contention in the community about the specific circumstances of those arrests / charges. Moving now to concerns, amendments.
20:58 pm
C: "I'm concerned about misuse of $ in this movement- theft, negligence, so on. $ has caused disruption in this mvmnt." #NYCGA #OWS
20:59 pm
Cont'd: "But re: idea that we should just get rid of the $: I came here to protest corruption on Wall Street. I adamantly feel that we..."
20:59 pm
Cont'd: "…as a community are ducking the challenge of responsibly dealing w/ monetary resources if we
20:59 pm
Cont'd: "…burn the $." "The bail fund has much more than the general fund, we use it much more slowly, and bail will come back." #NYCGA #OWS
21:00 pm
Cont'd; "I believe there are other important things to spend $ on in this movement. TechOps, etc." Not into social services. #NYCGA #OWS
21:00 pm
Cont'd; "If we put the $ into the bail fund, we'll lose other services, not b/c need more for bail but b/c we're intimidated about…" #NYCGA
21:01 pm
Cont'd: "…how we're using the $." #NYCGA #OWS
21:01 pm
Next concern agrees "100% w/ Jeff, whatever his statement was." He suggests we "run away" instead of getting arrested. #NYCGA #OWS
21:01 pm
Evan: "We're not going to have a sit-in, we're going to have a run-away." #LULZ #NYCGA #OWS
21:02 pm
Ravi: "I agree there are issues w/ how we've spent $ in the past, and I've been vocally disappointed by disinterest in budgeting…" #NYCGA
21:03 pm
Cont'd: "…but at this moment, the least irresponsible thing we could possibly do would be to put the $ in the bail fund." #NYCGA #OWS
21:03 pm
Ravi's friendly amendment: "Any $ coming in going forward remains frozen until we have a movement-wide budget in line with spending freeze."
21:05 pm
Stairs temp-checking the popularity of that amendment w/ the crowd. #NYCGA #OWS
21:06 pm
Stairs feels it looked mostly negative for that friendly amendment -- we're moving on. #NYCGA #OWS
21:07 pm
Accounting is concerned that without clarity on what happens w/ new funds, they won't know what to do with them. #NYCGA #OWS
21:07 pm
Camille's concern is with us not spending the $ on sustainability, but addresses idea that bail $ is unnecessary. #NYCGA #OWS
21:08 pm
"No amount of bail $ is unnecessary; there could be more serious repression and charges." #NYCGA #OWS
21:08 pm
Camille also reminds us that the bail fund now covers court fees and commissary for any stay longer than 7 days. "That's not well-known."
21:10 pm
Camille: "When $ comes back from previously-paid bail (prior to establishment of bail fund), it goes back into the general fund." #NYCGA
21:11 pm
Joseph suggests that we should be suing the NYPD for "human rights violations" at the UN, to get $. #NYCGA #OWS
21:12 pm
OK, so we're moving to consensus on this proposal: to move $ remaining in general fund to bail fund 1 week from today. #NYCGA #OWS
21:13 pm
Any standasides? 2. How many blocks? 6 blocks. Blockers will speak to their blocks. #NYCGA #OWS
21:13 pm
Darryl's block: "I feel like this is the other side of the national debate about austerity. Yes, $ is low, but easy come, easy go." #NYCGA
21:14 pm
Darryl suggests that we'll get more $ soon. "It's a part of life -- you know, right now, as much as we want to change the overall system…"
21:15 pm
Cont'd: "…we still nd the $ day-to-day." "Just keep moving, fundraise." "It can very easily be done, we can start turning the tides." #NYCGA
21:15 pm
Next block: "The bottom line is that the greater portion of #OWS' $ right now is in the bail fund, and it does get repaid, and…" #NYCGA #OWS
21:16 pm
Cont'd: "..we have a little portion to fund our future actions. Why do we want to take that $ and put it in a fund w/ double or triple."
21:16 pm
Cont'd: "It doesn't make sense to me, it's illogical, the $ would be better put towards a fundraising effort." #NYCGA #OWS
21:16 pm
Next block is for "similar concerns," shouldn't cut those services, only 2 weeks left anyway. #NYCGA #OWS
21:17 pm
Jeff's block: "There are other fixes to this issue;" stop spending $. "We're not using the bail fund nearly as quickly as the GF…" #NYCGA
21:17 pm
Cont'd: "I'm all for action, but the messaging needs to match the protests." Believes in flyering, outreach campaigns, techops. #NYCGA #OWS
21:17 pm
Next block: "I don't see how you can expect ppl to show up at actions when we can't even keep ppl fed or give 'em clean socks." #NYCGA #OWS
21:18 pm
Cont'd: "This $ is not supposed to be hoarded, it's meant to be spent on the occupation." A: "I'm concerned that folks get bail."#NYCGA #OWS
21:18 pm
Cont'd: "You can't dumpster for bail." Blocker said he was "offended that someone w/ a MacBook Pro would say I can't eat now." #NYCGA #OWS
21:19 pm
Next block is because she declined friendly amendment "to educate to avoid unnecessary arrests." She accepts, block stands aside. #NYCGA
21:20 pm
OK, we're moving forward, falling back to a 90% vote since we couldn't achieve full consensus. #NYCGA #OWS
21:21 pm
Stairs: "if you're in favor of this proposal, raise your hand." 11 ppl in favor. "If you're not in favor, raise your hand." 14 not in favor.
21:23 pm
OK, so it doesn't pass. Next proposal now is about improving accounting transparency. http://t.co/kjrm9FJl #NYCGA #OWS
21:23 pm
It's a discussion; he wants "to throw out some ideas, and the discussions can be had at a subsequent meeting." #NYCGA #OWS
21:24 pm
"My understanding is that in all the Occupys out west, working groups can fundraise money." Says that's good - go out and do it, but… #NYCGA
21:24 pm
Cont'd: …in #OWS, that's usually not allowed; he says this seems to be changing, shouts out FundHub. #NYCGA #OWS
21:25 pm
"We have these sheets going online; we have #s, but what are they? We need scans of vouchers and receipts, have them linked to #s, so…"
21:25 pm
Cont'd: "…you can do verification of the #s." "We need to document everything obviously; a major issue is that folks think we won't..."
21:26 pm
Cont'd; "…be able to raise money again," but he says it's up to us. "If we don't do innovative actions we won't get $ again." #NYCGA #OWS
21:26 pm
Accounting: "We're trying to scan the receipts, get them online, but the problem is not everyone's returned their receipts." #NYCGA #OWS
21:26 pm
Cont'd: "But we are in the process of making those receipts tangible so we can see how it all lines up." #NYCGA #OWS
21:27 pm
Proposer: "Thank you, and while we actually have to clean up the old books," hopes we can agree to set a date from which point forward...
21:27 pm
Cont'd: "…we'll use the new procedure." Notes we seem to be hung up on getting old records together instead of keeping new ones correct.
21:28 pm
Cont'd: "If you get innovative actions, you will get $ again," but suggests we need to "have an agreement that our donations come from..."
21:28 pm
Cont'd: "…individuals, not political organizations, and that we cap the $ from a single individual" to prevent "allegations that…" #NYCGA
21:28 pm
Cont'd: "…so-and-so is driving the movement."
21:29 pm
He feels that if we'd gotten $100k instead of half a million, ppl would have taken us more seriously and we'd have been more careful. #NYCGA
21:29 pm
He also suggests that Accounting staff would rotate, but acknowledges that that has begun already, proposes a regular term for Accounting.
21:29 pm
Cont'd; "I think the main contention would be capping amounts you can donate, b/c that keeps you honest." #NYCGA #OWS
21:30 pm
He essentially just wanted to explain his ideas; but asks for feedback. Camille: "I agree, it was weird we weren't doing independent..."
21:30 pm
Cont'd: "…fundraising in the park, but" notes some ppl did raise funds and weren't transparent, which caused issues. #NYCGA #OWS
21:31 pm
Cont'd: "But we now have independent fundraising being done in WGs and affinity groups," but if you do outside funding, you should know...
21:31 pm
Cont'd: "…that if you have someone suing you about that $, you can't say 'oh, you need to sue #OWS," b/c it doesn't work like that. #NYCGA
21:31 pm
Cont'd: She also notes that the bit about political organizations is covered in the statement of autonomy, but proposer wants a click-thru.
21:32 pm
Proposer: "The most important thing, I almost forgot -- it's the crux of the thing." RE: working groups raising funds, we should have a...
21:32 pm
Cont'd: …framework for how that is done. Feels Accounting should set the example. Accounting notes: "We literally just do the bookkeeping."
21:33 pm
They're into having "community agreements for fundraising, but that is not what Accounting does." #NYCGA #OWS
21:33 pm
He notes that FireDogLake has raised more $ than #NYCGA, and suggested to Haywood that we work together instead of cannibalizing each….
21:34 pm
Cont'd: …other, and Haywood said, "It's run by Jane Hamshire (sp) and she's a political animal." He suggests we go to her to propose an...
21:34 pm
Cont'd: …agreement, or form a new organization with the accountability and transparency of FireDogLake and best traits of #OWS. #NYCGA
21:35 pm
"We could make this merged group raise $ nationally and, dare I say it, globally." Working w/ Firedoglake. #NYCGA #OWS
21:36 pm
CQ: "Since there seem to be philosophical issues w/ Firedoglake, who would be the pt person to talk to them?" #NYCGA #OWS
21:36 pm
Proposer will start the discussion on http://t.co/JH6L91qC, needs more concerns and issues with the idea of working with FDL, then will...
21:36 pm
Cont'd: …"roll up those concerns and refine the proposal at http://t.co/JH6L91qC" re: working with FDL on exploratory dialogue, whatever.
21:37 pm
He feels FDL will be receptive, "might show up to a GA and explain" what they can do. #NYCGA #OWS
21:37 pm
Dallas asks if raising money via FDL would mean the Alliance for Global Justice would no longer be our conduit, proposer isn't sure. #NYCGA
21:38 pm
Next concern is that he's pushing FDL hard, that "no one's cannibalizing, we don't have to work with anybody." Proposer: "I would…"
21:38 pm
Cont'd: "…respectfully disagree." Next, Dimitri: "RE: limits, ppl say George Soros is our leader anyway. I don't see what it would change.."
21:39 pm
Cont'd: "…to take a million dollars from him." A: "Morons are buying the argument, but intelligent ppl aren't. We have facts to back us up."
21:40 pm
CQ: "Have [FDL] tried to contact us?" A: "I wouldn't know - vry poss. It's not my authority to try to [make contact], just put ideas out."
21:42 pm
Proposer notes that telling ppl we don't follow anyone's agenda will be undermined by big donations, despite our conviction. #NYCGA #OWS
21:42 pm
That's it for stack. Proposer: "So, I'll post it online, and thank you all." Stairs: "That's the end of our proposals & discussions tonite!"
21:43 pm
OK, that's the end of GA for tonight. Thanks for reading fam! [Any questions, comments, concerns, or spare change: @diceytroop.] #NYCGA #OWS
21:44 pm
Someone announces: "@thejorobin and Emily Reynolds from Burlington are still at MCP a few blocks away after "chalk-upying" the hell out of..
21:44 pm
Cont'd: "…this park this morning." Should be arraigned in a few hours, invites us to roll down to MCB by 10:15 or 10:30 to support! #NYCGA