19:35 pm
Hi fam! We're at West Park Presbyterian; waiting on the arrival of the #OccupyTheCourts folks before we start Spokescouncil! #NYCSC #OWS
20:10 pm
Stairs: "Welcome to another episode of Spokescouncil!" Steve and @thejorobin will be our facilitators tonight ("Stairs" for short.) #nycsc
20:12 pm
Jo and Steve are reviewing our handsignals! Here's a recap previously compled: http://t.co/VHmHwQl9 #nycsc #ows
20:14 pm
First, announcements. Outreach: "They're running a mobile town hall on 1/29, the last Sunday of the month, to get ppl out there…"#nycsc #ows
20:15 pm
Cont'd: "…it's a pop-up occupation kind of thing." January 29th, Washington Square Park. #nycsc #ows
20:15 pm
Ravi (Outreach) also notes that the rules passed 12/20 defining requirements for working groups to be recognized kick in today. #nycsc #ows
20:16 pm
Interoccupy reminds us folks do look to us as an example, and thank us for our work. Suggest we use #interocc to coordinate. #nycsc #ows
20:18 pm
Next, Billy: "8 or 9 of us have been talking about" getting ready for the RNC and DNC. Talk to him if you, uh, want to go. #ows #nycsc
20:18 pm
Minutes reports that they're working to perfect their audio-recording system, to be posted on nycga.net #nycsc #ows
20:19 pm
Nan, Strong Women Rules: "We went to an nycga.net meeting at Charlotte's Place," announces the next Tech meeting time for some reason.#nycsc
20:19 pm
Next, Drew from TechOps: "We want to start doing a lot more trainings on tools we're offering & blogging, Facebook, whatever else." #nycsc
20:21 pm
OK, closing stack on Announcements. Next, Jason tells us "OccupyAtlanta is hosting a Southeast Regional occupation" March 9th. #nycsc #ows
20:22 pm
Cont'd: "They did want a group from #OWS to come down, so there's planning going on; I wanted to give as much notice as possible." #nycsc
20:22 pm
Shawn notes he has a proposal for everybody- he's got copies! It's about changing our meeting schedule. #nycsc #ows
20:23 pm
Ashley, Women Occupying Nations- they're working to honor all women and allies this month. She went to the MLK #j15 vigil, and notes..#nycsc
20:23 pm
Cont'd: ..all of the #OWS speakers in the program were men. "We want to remind everyone not to repeat the mistakes of the past, and be..."
20:23 pm
Cont'd: "…responsible and inclusive." They mic checked to make sure that women were heard. #nycsc #ows
20:24 pm
Jason: "The Occupy Town Square Facebook page has gone up! They want support/participation from as many WGs as possible." #nycsc #ows
20:26 pm
OK, we'll roll call all the Spokes: Facilitation; Town Planning; Arts; Think Tank; Translatione; Structure; People of Color Caucus; WoN...
20:28 pm
…Constitution, Tech, OccupyFarms, GSD, The People's Kitchen, @DAP, @OWSLibrary, Class War WG, Safer Spaces, Outreach, ComHub. #nycsc #ows
20:28 pm
RT @occupyphoenix: Just briefly spoke at @LibertySqGA to thank #OWS members for all their hard work & to look to other city's while work ...
20:29 pm
@occupyphoenix right on! sorry, i missed the first couple sentences you said.
20:29 pm
ClassWar: "We'll meet Weds at 5; Charlotte's Place or 60 Wall. Announce on website. We're speaking with #communist groups…" #nycsc
20:30 pm
Cont'd: "…to see if we can do some joint action with them. New point person is Zak." #nycsc #ows
20:31 pm
Next, Direct Action Painters (@DAP): "Regretfully, we're going on art strike until we have a good place to work in." Art, banners, posters.
20:31 pm
.@DAP will put together a Kickstarter campaign so they can have a space and some art materials. "In the meantime, we have some banners.."
20:31 pm
Cont'd: "…in our inventory that we'll let ppl use if they want to." They need a 24/7 space where they can spraypaint in. #nycsc #ows
20:33 pm
Joe, Education and Empowerment, tells us about "Occupy University!" Website: University.nycga.net. Working to get it rolling. #nycsc #ows
20:33 pm
TechOps' report back: "We're building out, purchasing all the equipment you approved for us!" They'll have weekly trainings during… #nycsc
20:34 pm
Cont'd: …the day, once they find "a space where we have power, Internet," they'll do them in the evenings for ppl who work during day.
20:34 pm
Check out Tech Ops at Tech.nycga.net! And you can blog for your working group there. #nycsc #ows
20:35 pm
Next, OccupyFarms. "We've been building relationships w/ Farms in Woodstock and Vermont, and are trying to get our website up.." #nycsc
20:35 pm
Cont'd: "…so we have something to show farmers when we approach them." Still in outreach; let 'em know if you want to work, or know farmers.
20:36 pm
Cont'd: Also, "the different eco groups are having a summit on the 28th and forming an eco-cluster to better coordinate." #nycsc #ows
20:36 pm
Cont'd: The eco cluster meets 1/28 at 56 Walker. #nycsc #ows
20:37 pm
Ashley (Women Occupying Nations) already made her report back during announcements, so she repeats what she said earlier. #nycsc #ows
20:39 pm
Steve will review process of Spokescouncil. We sit in working groups with a consensed-upon speaker or "spoke." When we have… #nycsc #ows
20:40 pm
Cont'd: …the opportunity to weigh in, we confer as working groups & our Spoke then articulates the consensus of the group. #nycsc
20:41 pm
OK, the first proposal we'll discuss tonight is Facilitation's. Stairs asks us to temp check giving 20 minutes for the proposal. OK. #nycsc
20:41 pm
Brian (Facilitation): "Facilitation has a great proposal- you've never heard or thought anything like this before." Jokes! #nycsc #ows
20:41 pm
Brian: "The proposal is to reduce the number of spokescouncils to create time for us to do other things. We know many people are doing…"
20:42 pm
Cont'd: "…other things, & the nightly meetings are a hammer hold on time." Nods at need for other community-building formats than meetings.
20:42 pm
In addition to reducing the meetings from 3 times a week to 2, the Facilitation proposal also expressly states Spokescouncil… #nycsc #ows
20:43 pm
Cont'd: …can set meeting times / frequency. "We feel like right now there's a law about meetings, & we want to break that law." #nycsc #ows
20:44 pm
OK, so Working Groups will confer and when they're done, their spokes will voice their decisions during consensus process re: this proposal.
20:50 pm
OK, we're back. Think Tank: "We like Spokescouncil; we're worried that this may cave to some of the problems that it has." #nycsc #ows
20:50 pm
Cont'd: They're also curious how this proposal will interact with the larger restructuring from DA that Shawn mentioned. #nycsc #ows
20:50 pm
Next CQ: "What would the week look like? If this changes GA schedule, it needs separate consensus from GA." #nycsc #ows
20:51 pm
A: "I forgot to include in the proposal that the idea was to have #SC on Mon and Weds," but it's bn in works for long, hence #jokes before.
20:52 pm
Brian notes that since Facilitation was having some trouble maintaining quality of facilitation, were motivated to propose change. #nycsc
20:52 pm
Brian notes though that the proposal empowers #Spokescouncil to decicde its own meeting times. #nycsc #ows
20:53 pm
Nathan, Facilitation, handles the question about whether this affects GA, and the DA proposal. "I think they work hand-in hand." #nycsc
20:53 pm
Cont'd: "The idea is to open up Friday nights and make them available for other ideas and events." #nycsc #ows
20:54 pm
Next question. "If you're going to arrange what days #spokes meets, are you going to take into consideration that WG meets during Spokes?"
20:54 pm
A: "One of the things we noticed a month or two ago, when there were GAs and Spokes, ppl wouldn't schedule working group meetings. But.."
20:54 pm
Cont'd: "…as time went on, that happened more," as if it's hard for people to attend 7 meetings a week! #nycsc #ows
20:55 pm
And Brian notes they're not trying to solve disruption at all; they just want to give the community flexibility about how it spends time.
20:55 pm
OK, we'll take 2 minutes to confer on concerns and friendly amendments. Be back soon! #nycsc #ows
20:59 pm
OK, we're coming back. Stairs: "Now it's time for concerns and amendments." Opening stack for such. Kitchen is first. #nycsc #ows
21:00 pm
Kitchen's concern is that if Spokescouncil changes its meeting times, how will it get notice? Brian notes that this proposal… #nycsc #ows
21:01 pm
Cont'd: …doesn't seek to dictate how the schedule changes in future beyond this one change to drop the Friday meeting. #nycsc #ows
21:01 pm
Kitchen asks if they can have a friendly amendment to make sure that if a meeting is added or changed, they're told in advance. #nycsc #ows
21:03 pm
Next, "my concern is a financial one." Once "the spending freeze is released," w/o Friday SC, groups will have harder time getting $. #nycsc
21:04 pm
…"because the office is closed on Sunday and Monday." Nathan seems to feel that this wouldn't change much in effect. #nycsc #ows
21:04 pm
Think Tank: "One of the things that's making these meetings difficult is the endless budget props;" little space for ideas, actions. #nycsc
21:05 pm
Think Tank suggests we use the Spokescouncil funds allocated for Friday, going fwd, to enable us to use a different format to meet. #nycsc
21:06 pm
Facilitation says that's definitely the idea- can use Thinktank format, Open Spaces, many others to try different styles of organization.
21:08 pm
Ashley (WoN): "My concern is that ppl who are involved every MWF, there's not going to be repetitive multiple changes so that" it… #nycsc
21:08 pm
Cont'd: …gets far away from what GA designed Spokescouncil to be, "even tho I think this is an appropriate change." #nycsc #ows
21:09 pm
Ashley continues, saying she's concerned the Facilitation "clique" might keep making changes. A: "We respect the concern…" #ows #nycsc
21:10 pm
Cont'd: "…but we want to pt out there's nothing cliquish about Facilitation." Facilitation, Brian says, generates proposals using consensus.
21:10 pm
Brian: "I don't know what's going to come next, but the heart of facilitation is not about monopolizing power, operating as a clique, or.."
21:11 pm
Cont'd: "…de-legitimizing anybody." Ashley requests that this statement be put into notes. [Happily. Not saying anything else argh. -Ed.]
21:11 pm
Next, Class War's Concern: "Since the spending freeze, the GA is an hour at most, and the only other place we have discussions is here…"
21:11 pm
Cont'd: "…and here, discussions take a little longer." Feels now isn't the time, as GA attendance is low. Maybe after spending freeze ends.
21:12 pm
A: "We believe, as I think many do, that the movement is a long-term thing, and we want to make decisions looking into future." #nycsc #ows
21:12 pm
Cont'd: "That being said, it doesn't mean we won't meet on that day," just that we can use "other formats for meeting." #nycsc #ows
21:13 pm
Nathan also notes that they're also looking to reduce the GA meetings by one as well, which would improve GAs. #nycsc #ows
21:14 pm
Translation's Concern/FA: "Let's have Facilitation to really make a concerted effort to include" captioning, signing on livestream and…
21:15 pm
Cont'd: …in a broader sense, "the inclusion of chat participation." Says @Occupy_Boston now has chat participants. [Oh word #OB? -Ed.]
21:15 pm
A: "That sounds like a great proposal for Translation to bring -- we don't want to make any promises we can't keep." #nycsc #ows
21:15 pm
Next, @DAP speaks to their own proposal about a similar plan for reorganizing - "it's a concern slash announcement." #nycsc #ows
21:15 pm
A: "I think that proposal and this one work really well together," applauds their work. "Our thinking is to leave those days open…" #nycsc
21:16 pm
Cont'd: "…for the community," and their plan for what to fill those days with is extremely compatible and exciting. #nycsc #ows
21:16 pm
TechOps' Concern/FA: "Spokes repeating -- will it be 2 spokes a week? Still 7 days, or #s of meetings? How will that be affected?"#nycsc
21:17 pm
A: "We hadn't thought about that at all." Tech: "OK; we have a friendly amendment you can take or leave. We ask that this proposal.."#nycsc
21:17 pm
Cont'd: "…only go into action if your proposal to also reduce the days GA meets is accepted. Just so we're on the same path." #nycsc #ows
21:18 pm
Also, TechOps asks that Facilitation "continue to secure space on Friday so that we can experiment with other meetings" on those days.
21:18 pm
A: "RE: GA: this is a little more complicated now, because DA's proposal will go to GA tomorrow before ours." #nycsc #ows
21:19 pm
A cont'd: "We're actually not planning on going to GA with our proposal b/c of the other proposal, and we're trying to work together."#nycsc
21:20 pm
RE: the amendment to still get space on Fridays, Nathan accepts provided the money set for Spokescouncil space can be used for that. #nycsc
21:21 pm
Brian notes that Facilitation questions its responsibility to pursue and secure space, which fell to it by default. #nycsc #ows
21:21 pm
Brian: "The park didn't cost anything; Facilitation's addressed space as it's come up." But doesn't want to accept responsibility to..#nycsc
21:22 pm
Cont'd: …secure space b/c it "fell to us by default." Recap; the accepted FA was from Kitchen to let them know if SC changes. #nycsc #ows
21:23 pm
Translation asks about their FA; Brian isn't sure that he understood his answer to it. "We can't promise implementation; what we do.."#nycsc
21:23 pm
Cont'd: "…is" maintain the process. Stairs notes this isn't facilitation's proposal, it's everyone; can't bottomline everything. #nycsc #ows
21:24 pm
The Strong Women Rules spoke is being questioned about the last time he spoked… we're working on that. #nycsc #ows
21:26 pm
Apparently he's good to spoke. His amendment is to have Weds' Spokescouncils vote on meeting Friday. The formula for… #nycsc #ows
21:27 pm
Cont'd: …the voting was confusing, tho, so I'm not exactly sure what it was. Still, yeah, voting each week on meeting Friday. #nycsc #ows
21:28 pm
Stairs asks if we're ready to move to consensus -- we are! "The proposal is simple, it's to reduce Spokescouncils to Mon and Weds.." #nycsc
21:28 pm
Cont'd: "…and states that this body has the right to change its meetings by consensus." And the friendly amendment was that… #nycsc #ows
21:29 pm
Cont'd: …if an additional meeting is added, Kitchen will be notified. And Facilitation will reach out to Translation to talk about… #nycsc
21:29 pm
Cont'd: …other ways to include translation. Think Tank brings up the Tech amendment about keeping budget in place for Fridays' meetings...
21:30 pm
Cont'd: …and Brian says "I'm trying to get facilitation to acknowledge that we don't have an obligation to secure, rent, pay for space."
21:30 pm
Cont'd: "We don't want it to become" standard, "it's not something that is our responsibility by any kind of tasked proposal." #nycsc #ows
21:31 pm
OK, so we'll move to consensus. Stairs asks if we have standasides, which would come from consenting to stand aside if working groups...
21:32 pm
Cont'd: …cannot consense on either supporting or blocking the prop. 1 stand aside; are there any blocks? no blocks! CONSENSUS! #nycsc #ows
21:32 pm
Stairs notes that "not Facilitation, not the Facilitation WG, but we all" got through that proposal in an hour with full consensus. #nycsc
21:33 pm
They also mention that we need to close the meeting at 10:25. They suggest we take a 2 minute break, with some quick disagreement frm group.
21:34 pm
So, we temp-checked taking a 2 minute break to "reward ourselves for reaching consensus" -- approved! So we're taking a quick break. #nycsc
21:37 pm
OK, we're back. Jo: "I have a request from individuals who are staying here;" they want us to stop at 10:15 so they can go to bed. #nycsc
21:39 pm
So, we're tempchecking stopping at 10:15 -- agreed. Stairs tells us Safer Spaces' proposal is going to come up on Monday by their request.
21:41 pm
And, Town Planning's prop can't be presented because Sean is too sick to present it. So… it snds like Spokescouncil is going to end? #nycsc
21:42 pm
There's some disagreement; ppl want to meet. But Stairs doesn't hv proposers for the proposals on the table. Opening stack for suggestions.
21:43 pm
Melanie: "Did we ask the room if there were other people on board for any of the proposals?" RE: Town Planning, "it's everybody's proposal."
21:44 pm
Melanie herself isn't prepared to bring the proposal, "b/c I'm somewhat biased." But she says many ppl in room are. #nycsc #ows
21:44 pm
Stairs: "I hear your concerns, but to tell you what happened: I was told informally 2 days ago that Outreach would present the proposal.."
21:45 pm
Cont'd: "…and I was given unclear details on the proposal. When I arrived today…" Sean has returned! He'll present! Yay! #nycsc #ows
21:46 pm
So, it sounds like we'll hear Town Planning and Outreach's proposal… which I think is about excluding a certain instigator from #NYCSC.
21:47 pm
Sean: "There's something we've been putting up with too long; we all know what it is. One of the things SC is empowered to do is…"
21:47 pm
Cont'd: "…exclude someone from SC b/c of "repetitive disruption," or violations of the principles of solidarity. We'd like to ask the..."
21:47 pm
Cont'd: "…spokescouncil to choose to exclude Nan, based on repeated physical assaults including of this man who facilitated Friday." #nycsc
21:48 pm
Stairs: "Is that the whole proposal?" Sean: "That's it." Stairs gives us 2 minutes of discussion to consult w/in working groups. #nycsc #ows
21:51 pm
OK, we're back. Opening stack on clarifying questions. Sage: "What I want to know is, has there been a history of emotional abuse…" #nycsc
21:51 pm
Cont'd: "…between the victim and the abuser, or this body and the abuser? I.e., was the person who was physically violent…" #nycsc #ows
21:52 pm
Cont'd: "…violated herself in any other ways? Did any instigation take place?" Wants 2 or 3 witnesses to describe the relationship. #nycsc
21:52 pm
Sean asks him to clarify. Sage: "I want to know if there's a history -- if someone spends 3 months treating me like shit, if I lose my..."
21:53 pm
Cont'd: "…shit on a particular day, I don't want that to be the day that I get in trouble while everyone else gets a free pass." #nycsc #ows
21:54 pm
Sean: "She's abused us repeatedly, threatened us repeatedly." Isn't in her head, doesn't know if she thinks we all have been that to her.
21:54 pm
Jason will speak to his relationship to Nan; Nan speaks for the first time. "Can I say something?" Stairs: "You'll have your chance." #nycsc
21:55 pm
Someone from SIS speaks: "Jason and Nan really didn't have a relationship, and there's no conflict online that I could find." #nycsc #ows
21:55 pm
Cont'd: "It was just a separate situation where she went off on this individual." Notes Wednesday that we decided to remove someone… #nycsc
21:56 pm
Cont'd: ..who threatened others and scuffled with others, and notes that Nan has threatened many and assaulted more than one. #nycsc #ows
21:56 pm
Nan is starting to shout out. Stairs: "Everyone can speak, including those being mentioned," but we must stick to stack. #nycsc #ows
21:57 pm
Order maintained so far. Sage tells the person who is speaking to this relationship that he agrees w/ proposal, just wants background.#nycsc
21:57 pm
Next on stack: Drew, TechOps: "Our question is, it's not Strong Women Rules WG being removed, just Nan. Right?" A: "Yes." #nycsc #ows
21:58 pm
Ashley: "Is this person being removed because of her violence, and nothing else? Not because she speaks out of turn, but b/c…" #nycsc
21:58 pm
Cont'd: "..of her violence?" A: "Yes." Housing asks if we can let Nan respond on every point. Stairs: "We don't do direct responses…" #nycsc
21:58 pm
Cont'd: "…because we found they just allow people to jump stack, and cut ppl off -- it's really divisive." #nycsc #ows
21:59 pm
Sean notes that we have no process to do this, so we're making it up as we go along to some extent. Stairs says Nan can speak at end. #nycsc
21:59 pm
Nan: "I think I can speak. First of all, you are nothing but hypocrites." Says Sean has "an agenda" and accuses him of "backstabbing"...
22:00 pm
Cont'd: …Jason and Jeff from Housing, and "then you have the nerve to bring this proposal here." Nan says she was defending herself… #nycsc
22:00 pm
Cont'd: …and removing Jason from her space. [I watched Nan lunge at Jason with fists. -Ed.] Sean asks if we want to see the video. #nycsc
22:05 pm
OK, we're opening stack on Concerns and Amendments. First: "The concern of #OWS En Español is, beyond what we decide to do about…" #nycsc
22:05 pm
Cont'd: "…this individual, we feel there is no place really where these kind of situations are dealt with as a rule. How does it come…"
22:05 pm
Cont'd: "…to happen to threaten a whole movement? Whether they're removed or not is irrelevant to me; important thing is how we deal.."
22:06 pm
Cont'd: "…with this situation. We're dragging a whole world we're trying to leave behind with this situation, and that's what concerns me."
22:06 pm
Sean: "We're making this part up together as we go along;" notes they're working on developing a "grievance circle" to resolve… #nycsc #ows
22:07 pm
Cont'd: …problems, reveal hurt, and "bring that individual back into the group." They feel they need to leave a way back such as that.#nycsc
22:08 pm
Next concern: "Sometimes there are acts of violence or blocks; we know who does that. The amendment is to ban the person temporarily…"#nycsc
22:08 pm
Cont'd: "…on the basis of, if you're blocking so many times, maybe you need to take a time-out from the movement." Blocking halts… #nycsc
22:08 pm
Cont'd: …"the progressive proposals we want to do, and it's really frustrating when we're" trying to move forward. So FA is to ban...
22:09 pm
Cont'd: …Nan for a certain amount of time and to include blocking as a reason. #nycsc #ows
22:09 pm
Sean: "This has nothing to do w/ blocking; it has to violence." They don't want to expand it beyond that. #nycsc #ows
22:10 pm
Facilitation's Concern: "We're concerned about the precedent this is going to set, and what we're doing, banning Nan, not from the…" #nycsc
22:10 pm
Cont'd: "…movement, but from SC, and to look at the history we know so well and how it might be perceived from outside as being exclusive."
22:10 pm
A: "To re-iterate, this proposal is about asking someone to leave this specific space because of physical violence. She tried to take..."
22:11 pm
Cont'd: "…a swing at this guy." "We want to let everyone know, inside and outside the movement, that we don't accept violence." #nycsc #ows
22:12 pm
Stairs notes there's lots of PoIs, wants to make sure they're real. "Yes, I want to make clear it's about this meeting -- Spokescouncils."
22:13 pm
A: "Yes, that's true." Stairs temp-checks extending meeting back to 10:30, "that has to be it, tho." #nycsc #ows
22:13 pm
PoI from Lopi: "Nan attacked me at the GA." Nan starts accusing her of mispronouncing her name. "I was hesitant to speak…" #nycsc #ows
22:14 pm
Cont'd: "…because I knew she'd attack me." "We've been tolerating violence in our movement for so many months…" Nan starts speaking over her
22:14 pm
Cont'd: "We can't tolerate violence in this moment. She's attacked many people here. I'm a survivor of PTSD, & I can't… I don't feel safe."
22:15 pm
Safer Spaces agrees, but are concerned that only addressing physical violence is dangerous, and note that without a clear road back… #nycsc
22:15 pm
Cont'd: "…this just feels indefinite." Also notes they feel "it's a serious conversation, and this is being rushed." "No," many people say.
22:15 pm
Sean: "We don't want it to be indefinite. There must be a road back; what we should do is make and open the road back." #nycsc #ows
22:15 pm
Cont'd: "A lot of us here know what we want it to be (the grievance process); we haven't figured it out yet but plan to soon. We have to..."
22:16 pm
Cont'd: "…create this way back together and then give it to the individuals we have excluded" due to violence. #nycsc #ows
22:16 pm
Ashley's Concern: "I just wanted it to be clear that a lot of us in this room care about Nan as a human being, and acknowledge she's..."
22:16 pm
Cont'd: "…going through pain, and may have past traumas. We care about her. But this is because there has been physical violence." #nycsc
22:17 pm
Cont'd: "And we feel there needs to be a road back, because despite the pain…" Nan interrupts: "I'm not in pain. What the hell?" #nycsc #ows
22:17 pm
Ashley continues: "The reason she needs a break is she physically assaulted multiple ppl; it's not because she speaks out about racism..."
22:18 pm
Cont'd: "…and sexism," and she notes that she thinks it's unfair for ppl to abuse those issues -- Nan: "You yourself use it!" Woah woah woah
22:18 pm
Sean: "It's certainly not that I don't care. Case in pt, someone swung a chair in her head at the SC; I got in the way, it hit me instead."
22:19 pm
Next, Class War. "Throughout the existence of #SC, Nan has been disruptive each and every meeting. She's gotten in…" #nycsc #ows
22:19 pm
Cont'd: "…ppl's faces and yelled, which is a form of violence -- verbal violence. She has hit people. I believe this is long overdue."#nycsc
22:20 pm
Next, Vision and Goals: "We have no system for this." Says we need to show system here and now. (This was SWR spoke before…) #nycsc #ows
22:21 pm
SWR/Vision and Goals' spoke (?) said "this is how people got lynched in the past," and maaad people were like "oh no you didn't." #nycsc
22:22 pm
Cont'd: "We don't have any specific allegations vs. Nan." People are getting frustrated with him because he's just wicked wrong. #nycsc
22:23 pm
The SWR spoke is continuing to go on and on and on, same stuff. "There's no finding of fact here!" "He's filibustering," someone says.
22:24 pm
We get the guy to calm down by offering him vid of Nan attacking J. So Nan picks up where he left off, shouting tht we didnt let him finish.
22:24 pm
We're moving to consensus. "How many standasides?" 3 standasides. "If they wish to address their standasides, they may." #nycsc #ows
22:26 pm
First stand aside is because we're dealing with one person when "what we have to deal with is a lot bigger than that." #nycsc #ows
22:26 pm
Direct Action: "I'm just going to say that we have a conflict in our group; I personally came here to create a utopia; I don't believe in.."
22:26 pm
Cont'd: "…punishment, I believe in finding out why people are the way they are so we can change them." Doesn't want to exclude. #nycsc #ows
22:28 pm
Restating proposal: "We're asking SC to activate section 3b of original Spokes design proposal." Want to bring forward Safer Spaces' prop...
22:28 pm
Cont'd: "It's not a permanent ban; it's not a punishment." We're asking them to remove themselves until we figure out best way "to be…"
22:29 pm
Cont'd: "…respectful of those who have been physically attacked." "Any blocks?" Safer Spaces is blocking. Jaws drop. #nycsc #ows
22:30 pm
Safer Spaces' block is because they're worried that since we don't have the road back yet, it's indefinite. Their FA is to have… #nycsc #ows
22:30 pm
Cont'd: …a grievance circle begin "by Monday," even if it's not the final format it comes in. Safer Spaces remove their block. #nycsc #ows
22:31 pm
Sage decides to block. "Nan strikes dude at #SC. Facilitation knows rules of #SC; when violence happens room temp checks whether it's..."
22:32 pm
Cont'd: "…violence; messages sent to de-escalation to keep them out." Sage says that proposal hasn't served our ends. "The list of people.."
22:32 pm
Cont'd: "…at #OWS who are unwilling to be accountable is long," doesn't believe we need to approve this proposal to bar Nan? #nycsc #ows
22:32 pm
Many are skeptical of this from Sage, but Ravi responds in earnest, explaining that we need to set precedent of accountability. #nycsc #ows
22:33 pm
Ravi says that the Spokescouncil proposal sets this process up. "I wish it was better," but this is required. Sage is asking, "so, you're.."
22:33 pm
Cont'd: "…saying that you need to do this to bar Nan from #Spokescouncil next time? We can't just temp-check violence?" #nycsc #ows
22:33 pm
Ravi does feel that way. Sage says he thinks we should be able to just bar based on existing proposal. Ravi asks if his block is resolved..
22:34 pm
Sage stands aside. Stairs asks if there are any more blocks. NO MORE BLOCKS. "We have now reached consensus on this proposal." #nycsc
22:35 pm
Stairs: "Mic check! I just want to observe one last time that we're not happy to be excluding someone." Nan starts yelling. #nycsc #ows
22:35 pm
"Bye, Nan," someone says. Stairs: "This is only the beginning. We need to develop better processes for resolving conflict…" #nycsc #ows
22:35 pm
Cont'd: "…this is a band-aid solution and it's not the way we should continue to deal with this issue." #nycsc #ows
22:36 pm
"Productive Spokescouncil is productive!" Anthony, Class War WG's Spoke, observes. #nycsc #ows
22:36 pm
OK, that's it for tonight, folks. Recap: we approved a proposal to reduce Spokescouncil from 3 to 2 nights a week, freeing up Friday night.
22:37 pm
Recap continued: We approved a proposal to bar Nan from Spokescouncil until we have a grievance resolution process, because of her…#nycsc
22:39 pm
Cont'd: …physical violence against facilitators a week ago. There is video of this, I'll try to post it asap. #nycsc #OWS
22:40 pm
[Thanks fam! Questions, comments, concerns, frustrations, excitement, revolutionary fervor, hit me at @diceytroop. -Ed.] #nycsc #ows