19:30 pm
Hey fam! #NYCSC Spokescouncil is getting started. Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4 for livetweets! #ows
19:31 pm
Jason from Facilitation, @zoetreuer are facilitating (I'll call them Stairs for short!) First, we'll do working grp reportbacks. #NYCSC #OWS
19:31 pm
First, Sustainability announces that environmental-focused working groups will meet 2ish pm Saturday, the 28th. More info to follow. #NYCSC
19:32 pm
Also, Sustainability are working to develop a 5,000 square foot rooftop farm in Bushwick in partnership with other orgs! #nycga #ows
19:32 pm
"We're still in development stages of how we want to do it; we have Dr. Susan Rubin and Andrew Faust helping us design it." #nycga #ows
19:33 pm
Cont'd: "The NLG won a profound victory for us, getting those barriers torn down. That's the first place we came together..." #nycga #ows
19:33 pm
Cont'd: "...where the public could come in and engage. And I know I didn't have that voice before and I have been changed by having it."
19:33 pm
Cont'd: "We invite you all to remember the first time you entered that park, the hope you felt knowing something greater than yourself.."
19:34 pm
Cont'd: "...was happening. And even though they destroyed our community in that space, they haven't licked us." #nycga #ows
19:34 pm
Cont'd: "We want you to consider having your WG meetings in Zuccotti Park. If we did, we'd be occupying, all the time." #nycga #ows
19:34 pm
Cont'd: "The public would be able to re-engage with us, and we could open that space in our own terms." #nycga #ows
19:35 pm
Cont'd: "They can take our tents, but they can't take our hearts and minds and our work. The question isn't what are our demands.." #nycga
19:35 pm
Cont'd: "...it's what are you doing to create change? And we've all been working, & want to show you. We invite you to come out of hiding."
19:36 pm
Sustainability describes an anecdote: they had a meeting in that space, and many people came. "If we're there, they will come." #nycga #ows
19:36 pm
She describes a coal miner / activist who came to Liberty Square simply to thank us, for giving him hope he'd lost over years of struggle.
19:36 pm
Cont'd: "When the snow melts, and the flowers blossom, we will rise back up. So we invite you to join us in rising up." #nycga #ows
19:37 pm
Next reportback: Where Workers are Owners -- specifically designed to help OWSers find self-employment. #nycga #ows
19:37 pm
"We have this idea that the 1% doesn't like people being employed by themselves, in their own groups -- over time, as ppl do this.." #nycga
19:38 pm
Cont'd: "...their exploitative companies won't be needed." They plan to exploit 1% rather than letting them exploit us. #nycga #ows
19:38 pm
Cont'd: "We're getting work for ppl who know how to design websites and give music lessons w/ specific instruments. And I'd like to.."#nycga
19:38 pm
Cont'd: "..extend that to any artist." No matter your discipline "there are people who really want to study that." #nycga #ows
19:39 pm
Cont'd: "This is my personal conviction; we have a company set up so they can't bother us." We'll boycott the 1%'s jobs. #nycga #ows
19:41 pm
"If you're involved in an artistic discipline, or if you know an artist who's broke, put 'em in contact w/ me!" gilbertgambucci@aol.com.
19:41 pm
Next, Nick from Facilitation reports that Facilitation is working on a plan to try to reduce the number of GAs and Spokes. #NYCSC #OWS
19:42 pm
Nick invites anyone who wants to be involved in writing that proposal to come to the FWG meetings, TuThSat, 4pm. #NYCSC #OWS
19:42 pm
Next: "I'm a photographer, and I run a blog -- owsfaces.com. Just a Tumblr; no commercial or media interests attached." #nycga #ows
19:42 pm
Cont'd: "I'm here w/ my camera, and I'm wondering if I can take occasional pictures. If you're not cool w/ that, let me know." #nycga #ows
19:43 pm
Malina, of Outreach and Politics and Electoral Reform: "We have 2 events centered around the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling.." #nycga
19:44 pm
Cont'd: "...which is two years old on Saturday." Will have many great speakers, students, community leaders, 5-7 Friday 1/20. #nycsc #ows
19:44 pm
Cont'd: "And Sat, Occupy the Corporations. And will include an Occupy the Faith contingency. 12:30-2:30 Saturday 1/21." #nycga #ows
19:45 pm
Next, :Legal. "Legal could really use some help, b/c I don't think anyone else from Legal's here right now. We're not lawyers..." #nycga
19:46 pm
Cont'd: "..but there are a lot of things an activist legal team can do. So if you have an interest in working on legislation or..." #NYCSC
19:47 pm
Cont'd: "...anti-repression work," should get involved. Sundays, 6:30 at 60 Wall. Also working on global anti-repression work. #nycsc #ows
19:47 pm
Camille, continuing, makes point that other movements have been hampered by impacts of repression. She wants to avoid that for #OWS. #nycsc
19:48 pm
Jason from Housing: "We're still working on our showers and some of the things we need for basic living here at West Park. Will bring..."
19:48 pm
Cont'd: "..a proposal for that later. And in terms of internal work, and we're thinking about having a night off someday, if you get.."
19:48 pm
Cont'd: "...a chance to look for good activist speakers to kind of rally the troops -- we've been taking a lot of shots." #nycsc #ows
19:49 pm
Cont'd: "So, just having people help us get riled up on a daily basis, like a rally instead of a meeting, might help us out. We might..."
19:49 pm
Cont'd: "...learn something." Notes that the church can accomodate like 600, 700 people for a meeting/rally. #nycsc #ows
19:50 pm
Katie w/ OWS Works: "RE: the office; there was an anonymous complaint that there was a mini-Zuccotti in the office, which is.." #nycsc #ows
19:50 pm
Cont'd: "...obviously not true." So they're working w/ UFT, building management to figure out what kind of access they'll have. #nycsc #ows
19:50 pm
There will be a meeting tomorrow at 1pm about the Occupied Office. #NYCSC #OWS
19:51 pm
Katie also announces that if you were penned in during the Obama dinner fiasco, a law firm is working towards a suit, get in touch! #nycsc
19:52 pm
OWS Works is having a community meeting 1/19 at 6pm in the Atrium to plan town halls they're having. #nycsc #ows
19:52 pm
Outreach: "We have a printing budget! If you want printing, all you have to do is email print@nycga.net; just have a working group listed."
19:53 pm
Cont'd: "And also, b/c we were sort of using the office as our dropoff/pickup point, there are some prints up there that I don't have.."
19:53 pm
Cont'd: "...access to, but we can work with people to get the prints they need." #nycga #ows
19:56 pm
Next, Patrick, Vision & Goals: "I'd like to take a min & read something to you very quickly. This is the work-in-progress vision statement."
19:59 pm
Here's the Vision proposal from Vision and Goals Working Group: http://t.co/0zbAMLAA It's in front of GA, not Spokes, tho. #nycsc #ows
19:59 pm
Patrick from V&G is explaining that they'll keep bringing it to GA until they give the sense it's done, then they'll seek consensus! #nycsc
20:00 pm
One more: OWS en Español: "We've passed a resolution approving some funds -- conducted a radio program for a month and a half..." #nycsc
20:01 pm
Cont'd: "...it's 2 hours, every Saturday, in Spanish, 89.3 FM." Spanish assembly approved money... #nycsc #ows
20:01 pm
Oh, this is the first proposal. "The program runs every Saturday 7-9pm at 89.3FM. Our mission is to empower our community to present laws.."
20:02 pm
Cont'd: "..at the city council, at the state level, where the communities are involved." First want a measure to have Council read every...
20:03 pm
Cont'd: ...proposal they discuss on cable and TV channels. "Also, the radio program belongs to #OWS en Español and the community." #nycga
20:04 pm
Cont'd: "Those are the two bodies this program will belong to." Want ppl to see what we're doing!" #nycsc #ows
20:04 pm
So, OWS en Español proposal says that they passed the money in OeE but Accounting made him get it through a GA or SC proposal. Wheew..
20:06 pm
Stairs clarifies: $750 for a radio and TV; part of what they also want is to have a digital library. I'm still not totally clear tho. #nycsc
20:10 pm
Proposal's not on the website, but I bet we'll have some good "clarifying questions" about this. #NYCSC #OWS
20:11 pm
First CQ: Facilitation. "Exactly how much time does $750 give you with the radio station?" A: "The whole program is 2 hours, every Sat.."
20:11 pm
Cont'd: "...but all the money will be also towards expanding the program, leaflets, other mediums to expand into the community." #NYCSC #OWS
20:12 pm
Cont'd: "So it lasts for 2 weeks." #nycsc #ows CQ: Library. "Is this the first time you've asked for $; will you ask for more?" #NYCSC #OWS
20:13 pm
A: "We want this to be able to sustain itself, using small businesses, who will buy advertising to be sustainable." #nycsc #ows
20:13 pm
CQ restates Q, A: "Yes." #nycga #ows
20:14 pm
Someone asked something I couldn't hear, but the answer is "$150 to pay the sound engineer." $20 for transportation? #NYCSC #OWS
20:14 pm
Proposer says he's not in charge of all the details. Sustainability, CQ: "Thank you for the proposal. I didn't understand a lot of it, so.."
20:15 pm
Cont'd: "..my Q may have already been A'd. Bt you said this was an ongoing show; but you said that was to pay 1 session of engineering."
20:16 pm
Questioner isn't sure whether it's an ongoing effort. Answer is that pays for 2 sessions? #nycga #ows
20:16 pm
TechOps' CQ: "We can't offer you anything right now, but if you didn't need the tech and engineer, would they charge you just.." #nycsc #ows
20:17 pm
Cont'd: "...to syndicate the show itself?" A: "We don't have facilities for television, just radio. That's pt of the idea, we could expand."
20:22 pm
That's it for CQs, so we're moving onto concerns! Working groups have conferred, so we're opening stack. #nycsc #ows
20:23 pm
C: "Is this only broadcast in Spanish? I think it's great that you want to broadcast bills, but I live in those neighborhoods too..."
20:24 pm
Cont'd: "...and I don't speak Spanish. Will it be translated?" #nycsc #ows
20:24 pm
A: We were handed over a program that has always been in Spanish. #nycsc #ows
20:24 pm
Next, OWS Works' concern: "Since this is a complex proposal, we're wondering if we could have the proposal written out and up on the site."
20:25 pm
Cont'd: "Then, you can bring it back to Spokes on Monday." #nycsc #ows
20:26 pm
Next concern; if this *does* sustain itself after two weeks "it'll be worth it." Wants some assurance of this. #nycsc #ows
20:27 pm
A: "It's been working and airing over 1.5 months; we can write out the proposal...this is just til we get on our feet." #nycsc #ows
20:28 pm
Next, "I understand more, but now I'm confused. The program has been run for 1.5 months. So you want to expand your listener base for 2wks..
20:29 pm
Cont'd: "...and that will solve your finances?" A: "We've been paying ourselves, but no one will give you 2 hours for free." #nycsc #ows
20:35 pm
So Stairs tries to clarify that the money is for time already used, tht they can't pay. Library gets up to support distributing info. #nycsc
20:37 pm
Anthony from Class War WG asks that we support it so people from other communities, like his family, might support #OWS. #nycsc #ows
20:37 pm
An FA: "I support what you're doing, but the proposal was so unclear. Next time, can you bring more details?" A: Proposer was asked last min
20:37 pm
Tech's FA is that they can maybe defray some costs by providing their own resources/engineer in future? Accepted. #nycsc #ows
20:38 pm
Next FA: "I agree it's necessary and worthwhile; but my concern is with sustainability. What is going to sustain this going forward?" #nycsc
20:38 pm
Cont'd: "So, a plan for that -- maybe bring it back with a plan to make sure it can keep going." #nycsc #ows
20:39 pm
A: "We're working to make it sustainable -- we're going to list resources we have between us," invite skill shares. #nycsc #ows
20:42 pm
So, the FA is accepted -- next time, if "you come back for more money," bring a plan for it to be sustainable. #nycsc #ows
20:46 pm
OK, restating the proposal: $750 for the OWS en Español radio program! With accepted friendly amendments as previously stated. #nycsc #ows
20:46 pm
Moving to consensus. "Are there any standasides?" No standasides. "Are there any blocks?" No blocks. Consensus! #nycsc #ows
20:47 pm
Next proposal! Max from Facilitation will present. "We've been having SC in this space when it's available, which is usually!" #nycgs #ows
20:49 pm
Cont'd: "We'd like to continue doing so!" We've been getting serious discounts. The proposal is for funding for Spokescouncil space. #nycsc
20:53 pm
Here's the proposal frm Facilitation. Working groups are discussing any CQs or Cs for their Spokes to present: http://t.co/ohPQj3ho #NYCSC
20:55 pm
Max clarifies, this is our 7th night here, so the budget will start tonight going forward. Trish's NYCGA Council has the first CQ. #nycsc
20:56 pm
Trish: "Can we get a clarification on whether this belongs at Spokescouncil or does it need to go to GA?" Notes recent confusion #nycsc #ows
20:57 pm
Max clarifies, the Spokescouncil handles funding requests for internal logistics. GA handles outward-facing budget allocations. #nycsc
20:58 pm
Trish is debating the point with Max, tho it's not easy to pin what the point is. Stairs clarifies, this is logistical and internal. #nycsc
20:59 pm
CQ: "Who manages this, and why are we behind?" A: "It's been historically difficult to get $ for #Spokes, b/c it couldn't hand out $."#nycsc
21:00 pm
CQ: "Are efforts being made to find other places who will host for free?" A: "Hours and hours of outreach have been done; the search for.."
21:00 pm
Cont'd: "..cheap Spokescouncil locations close to Zuccotti Park continues." #nycsc #ows
21:01 pm
Restricted Diets, Sage: "We're covering the next 3 meetings?" A: "No, paying back cost on this space, then $450/week cap going fwd." #nycsc
21:02 pm
Next CQ: "How important is it to have a Spokes location near Zuccotti Park? It's not really that centric." A: "I'm not sure it 100% bears.."
21:02 pm
Cont'd: "..on this proposal. The original proposal said it would be as close as possible to ZP. Here, we just want to keep paying for this."
21:03 pm
CQ: "Can you clarifying that Spokes can only make decisions internal to OWS/SC, and cannot make decisions that affect GA?" #nycga #ows
21:03 pm
Max clarifies that Spokes could allocate money to pay for GA, but it can't tell GA to move. "Doesn't make sense to me to do that.." #nycsc
21:05 pm
Cont'd: "...when GA hasn't even asked to move indoors." This is in response to Sage and Nan saying GA should get money for space too. #nycsc
21:07 pm
OK, stacking up Concerns. Anthony, Class War, is concerned it doesn't hv enough wiggle room in case there is a space emergency. #nycsc #ows
21:08 pm
Next Concern: "Have people been looking for a permanent space where #OWS can live and work w/o paying rent?" #nycsc #ows
21:08 pm
Jason from housing answers glibly: "The search for space continues." But there are legal reasons that we cannot be a tenant. #ows #nycsc
21:09 pm
Next, Nan asks if Facilitation had had a chance to speak with someone named Stan? Says he has a list of spaces. #nycsc #ows
21:10 pm
Nan asks if we've been working with Housing to try to get a better deal. Max notes that he has been working w/ them and others. #nycsc #ows
21:10 pm
Max: "I have been working on it; others have been working on it; we'll keep working on it." Might be a church that will let us.. #nycsc #ows
21:11 pm
Cont'd: ...use their gym for free, but we need to get our own act together first "because they'll be easier to offend than this one." #nycsc
21:15 pm
OK, we're on friendly amendments. The first FA: "Can Facilitation make an effort to post the location of Spokes >a day in advance online?"
21:15 pm
Next FA: "I propose facilitation and housing get together and set one amount for meetings and housing held here." #nycsc #ows
21:16 pm
A: "By the time I started working on this, Housing had already gotten $ for sleeping space. I had to bring it separately. But..." #nycsc
21:16 pm
Cont'd: "...I am in communication w/ Housing and we're working on something like that." Trish says Housing has a new proposal. #nycsc #ows
21:18 pm
Jeff notes that Housing has a proposal for Monday for 2 more weeks of space at this location. Max says the budget is a cap, so.. #nycsc #ows
21:19 pm
Cont'd: ... if collaboration w/ Housing saves money, the $ will go back to the GA. But says that the philosophical issues facing Housing..
21:19 pm
Cont'd: ...are different from those facing Spokescouncil. "I think they should be separate. But I feel the group should decide." #nycsc #ows
21:20 pm
PoP: "Maybe recommend we do the reimbursement part, and separate the ongoing budget, get the first part passed?" #nycsc #ows
21:20 pm
Stairs notes that's not a point of process. Hahah. [Isn't it tho? :D -Ed.] #nycsc #ows
21:21 pm
Minutes' FA: "Let's be more concerned with management of these funds and pay our rent on time." And let's be mindful of our reputation....
21:21 pm
Cont'd: "People already think we're lazy hippies and stuff; let's not let them think we're lazy hippies who don't pay their rent on time."
21:22 pm
Restricted Diets' FA: "This is 2-fold: 1. there should be something in the writing of this proposal that mandates that you sit down.."#nycsc
21:23 pm
Cont'd: "..with Housing, and the Pastor of this Church." Sage feels that since the ppl living here are #OWS, detaching the two things...
21:25 pm
Cont'd: ...isn't a privilege that we have. "Secondly, allocating $ for comfort of Spokes without taking care of GA," is unethical. #nycsc
21:26 pm
Max: "I can't take all that on. If someone else can, great." Max notes that GA was moved indoors on trial basis but lost the space. #nycsc
21:27 pm
Anthony's POI: "Spokescouncil doesn't have the power to move GA inside. GA has jurisdiction over Spokes, not vice versa." #nycsc #ows
21:28 pm
Someone suggests we try to have a bartering exchange w/ the church. Jason from Housing: "We can't go to Pastor to say, maybe we can..."
21:29 pm
Cont'd: "...figure out someone to do the work that you need." Jason pauses to consider. "I wouldn't put Spokes, Max, or #OWS in a position..
21:29 pm
Cont'd: "...to have to put together a team to provide services at this point." Max: "When I met Pastor Weds, I invited Housing. They..."
21:30 pm
Cont'd: "...didn't come." Explains that he sent an email, but someone says they didn't get it. "I just want the $450/week cap, so we.."
21:31 pm
Cont'd: "...can pay our rent going forward." Notes that Facilitation really likes idea of moving GA back indoors. #nycsc #ows
21:32 pm
Trish says she's glad tht Facilitation is still "interested in GA building." She says she had subgroup of Facilitation bt "it went nowhere."
21:35 pm
[It's not true on any level. -Ed.] Trish again makes same suggestion about Facilitation and Housing working together. #nycsc #ows
21:35 pm
Next FA suggests that Facilitation return next week after working out these various concerns and options. #nycsc #ows
21:36 pm
Max: "My concept was to get a budget cap, and then coordinate with housing." But he agrees to take back payment and a week's budget for now.
21:37 pm
Next FA: "What I want to amend, because I agree this shouldn't all fall on Facilitation. Where we have Spokes and GA isn't..." #nycsc #ows
21:37 pm
Cont'd: "It's been discussed in smaller groups, & we need to make sure we've got our resources, but we need to pay rent and keep SC going."
21:38 pm
Someone asks if the intention is to revisit this issue every week? A: "No. We'll come back in a wk & have worked something out w/ housing."
21:39 pm
Facilitation asks Max to confer with them about going forward; they seem to want Max to stick with the original proposal. #nycsc #ows
21:39 pm
Max: "My working group, and others in the room, don't want me to combine with housing; others do." So, still the one week plan.. #nycsc #ows
21:40 pm
Cont'd: ...but instead of a promise to coordinate with Housing, they'll "get on the same page as Housing" and bring a new proposal. #nycsc
21:41 pm
Sumumba's FA is that we "all come to the table and offer something to help us with our space needs." Max "would love not to be finding.."
21:41 pm
Cont'd: "...space for GA or Spokes," bt "this doesn't sound like a friendly amendment that *I* can accept." I.e., it's everyone! #nycsc #ows
21:42 pm
Max: "This is me reaching out: if you can help us find a cheaper space, please let me know." He'll keep trying to get it w/o general fund.
21:43 pm
Restating proposal: "$1000 for backpayments, $450 for tonight, Mon, Weds, and we'll be open to any future help we can get finding spaces..."
21:43 pm
Cont'd: "..for less money." It's already on the website, but we'll put it out in other ways. "And we'll look for outside funding." #nycsc
21:48 pm
Moving to consensus: 2 standasides, 1 block. Trish's block: "I just feel very strongly facilitation should work with Housing." #nycsc #ows
21:48 pm
Stairs asks Trish if anything can be done to remove the block. "Yeah, drop the second part of the proposal." #nycsc #ows
21:49 pm
Max: "If this passes now, we'll cut the check on Monday. If I bring another proposal Monday, we'll be behind already." #nycsc #ows
21:50 pm
Max: "I've already dropped the second half of the proposal to make it work for you." Trish: "No, you didn't do that for me- it was for you."
21:51 pm
Max: "So even though I dropped the ongoing budget for you, you're still going to block it?" Trish is. #nycsc #ows
21:51 pm
Max: "OK, so I'm going to drop the friendly amendment and ask for the weekly budget, since I'm getting a block anyway." Bam. #nycsc #ows
21:52 pm
Folks whooped at that. "Let's pass it." OK, so we're moving to modified consensus. @ZoeTreuer chides Facilitation WG for being loud, hah.
21:53 pm
Anthony says, "If your block is not morally, ethically, or safety-based, it's not valid. And this from the #NYCGA Council Council!" #LULZ
21:53 pm
Stairs: "At this time, I'd like to know if there are any standasides to the new proposal." No standasides. "Are there any blocks?" Trish.
21:54 pm
Stairs asks if Trish's block is for the same reasons. Trish: "It's still the same old same old; nothing's changed." #nycsc #ows
21:55 pm
Stairs: "The proposer has chosen to go to modified consensus." Someone else PoP: "A block is intended to state an ethical, moral or safety..
21:55 pm
Cont'd: "...concern, right? But that block is a safety concern because it would make us lose this space. So I think that's invalid." #nycsc
21:56 pm
"You could make us lose this space by putting us into debt yet again. That is a safety and ethical concern." A little spat ensues. #nycsc
21:57 pm
.@ZoeTreuer summons our attention. "Max has a statement, and then we'll move to modified consensus." #nycsc #ows
21:57 pm
Max: "If you don't like what's happening in the room, at any moment, the worst thing you can do is start making noise." #nycsc #ows
21:57 pm
Cont'd: "I'll still work w/ Housing and talk to the Pastor. If we can still get a better price, we will. I'm committed to that." #nycsc #ows
21:58 pm
OK, Stairs counting modified consensus. "How many spokes against?" Just the one. "How many for?" 22. "22 to 1, this proposal passes."#nycsc
21:59 pm
OK, next proposal! It's Housing. Allegra is the spoke. "We want to continue offering weekly metrocards to facilitate" individuals... #nycsc
22:00 pm
Cont'd: "...contributing to #OWS." They're the 7-day weekly Metrocards. This proposal used to go to GA, but now is Spokes' since activation.
22:02 pm
Here's the Metrocard proposal from Housing: http://t.co/ebnoRCUD #nycsc #ows
22:06 pm
OK, CQs. "Last time I was here, there were 120 ppl being housed. Now we're down to 115?" A: "There were 30 cards left over since last..."
22:06 pm
Cont'd: "...proposal, but we split it into 2, so it's 15 per week. That's how that happened." #nycga #ows
22:07 pm
Facilitation: "Who are the point ppl for Housing and who will be passing out these Metrocards to the groups?" #nycsc #ows
22:07 pm
A: "As far as Metrocard distribution goes, it differs depending on who in group steps up to do it. It's been me and Brian." #nycsc #ows
22:08 pm
Next, Movement Building asks how they determine who's contributing. A: "Working group point people have that responsibility - Housing has.."
22:09 pm
Cont'd: "..no right whatsoever to determine who gets cards." If they have the form signed, they get a card, "that's all." #nycsc #ows
22:09 pm
Library thanks them for bringing the proposal for the benefit of the movement. "I don't enjoy this service, but 2 in Library do." #nycsc
22:09 pm
Cont'd: "Their concerns are that the distribution has been problematic; it seems unclear and unsafe at times." #nycsc #ows
22:10 pm
Library also says they're not sure this is a good expenditure of funds. "That's the general feeling that we have." #nycsc #ows
22:10 pm
A: "I personally was looking into bicycles, but because it's cold, may be snowy and icy, we tabled that until it gets warmer out." #nycsc
22:11 pm
Cont'd: "We're also looking into buses." "I can't stress enough that we're really open to suggestions." #nycsc #ows
22:11 pm
Library asks that they address the distribution issue. "There seems to be more demand than supply." #nycsc #ows
22:12 pm
A: "We give them out on a first-come-first-serve basis right now." She's not quite sure the entire context of the question... #nycsc #ows
22:13 pm
Cont'd: ...and neither is the questioner, since he's not speaking from his own experience. She reviews the process anyway. #nycsc #ows
22:13 pm
PoI RE: distro: "I was really uncomfortable making the decision for people, so essentially we let the group decide who gets it; I'm..."
22:14 pm
Cont'd: "...just the guy checking a box." That's Ronnie, Outreach. "That's kind of fair, actually." K, no more CQs, conferring for concerns.
22:18 pm
OK, we're back with Concerns. Sustainability: "My concern is, it's a lot of money per week to be spending on Metrocards." #nycsc #ows
22:19 pm
He, though, got one "because I really need one." Reminds us it started with moving people to churches. "We could see this get out.."#nycsc
22:19 pm
Cont'd: "..of control, really quickly." Notes they're essentially like money; maybe Accounting should be handling them. #nycsc #ows
22:20 pm
A: "There's a Transportation WG being formed at 60 Wall tomorrow at noon; this will probably be transferred to that group." #nycsc #ows
22:20 pm
Nan notes there are others working on transport for weeks, should get in touch. The Transportation WG ppl agree, will do. #nycsc #ows
22:21 pm
Minutes is concerned that the distribution of the cards seems kind of "flaky, arbitrary." A: "As it stands, we give them out at Spokes..."
22:22 pm
Cont'd: "...or GA, unless there's a crazy weather event or something." They try hard to let them know when they're giving them out, where.
22:22 pm
Cont'd: "But it's 6-9; they're generally at Spokes or GA." Minutes is still concerned. "You give them to point people right?" #nycsc #ows
22:23 pm
A: "No, we give them out to people directly [with signed form from point ppl]." Next: "Maybe you could create a cluster, with.." #nycsc #ows
22:24 pm
Cont'd: "...Housing in charge, to make sure somebody is doing the work." Wants to increase accountability for Metrocards. #nycsc #ows
22:24 pm
Cont'd: "Maybe that's something you'd be open to, point people could come together, and say, "Who's doing what?" Not to exclude..."
22:25 pm
Cont'd: "...but to make sure we're not running a social services agency." Next,"NYCGA Council"! #nycga #ows
22:25 pm
Trish: "I thought when it was put forth, cards not ust for sleeping, but to help ppl get to protests, and events. Is that still true?"#nycsc
22:27 pm
A: "Yes -- we let WG coordinators decide this based on work being doing." Someone asks if weekly unlimited is cheapest - it is. #nycsc
22:34 pm
OK, we're back. OWS Works has a friendly amendment: "We'd like to recommend you have de-escalation and security present when cards.."#nycsc
22:35 pm
Cont'd: "...given out so it can proceed in an orderly and safe fashion." Accepted. "Next, Sustainability." #nycsc #ows
22:36 pm
Sustainability's FA: "I'd like to see the people distributing rotate every time." A: "We always have 3, w/ different jobs." #nycsc #ows
22:41 pm
A cont'd: "And we do rotate, but we'll make it official and accept." #nycsc #ows
22:42 pm
[We took a short opposite-of-a-break in order to give Trish time to make a fuss about nothing and slow us all down. -Ed.] #nycsc #ows
22:43 pm
Housing clarifies that "we were asked to take on the transportation situation" because people were getting arrested hopping turnstiles. #ows
22:44 pm
Next FA, Vision&Goals: "My FA is we should have this as our ongoing and reoccuring item rather than needing a new proposal." #nycsc #ows
22:44 pm
A: "Very good proposal; maybe once Transportation and Nan's wrkng grp come together to deal with this, they can take it from there." #nycsc
22:45 pm
Next FA: "Since this is unsustainable based on our money situation, I'd like to have a meeting between stakeholders to discuss..." #nycsc
22:45 pm
Cont'd: "..other options." Feels strongly that bikes should still be on table unless there's snow on the ground. #nycsc #ows
22:49 pm
A: "That's great; I hope the Transportation WG will consider that." #nycsc #ows
22:51 pm
Next FA is from Sumumba's concern about making sure people are actually doing "work". Housing mentions it's been a challenge to define it.
22:52 pm
Sumumba's amendment proopses that point people for Metrocards need to come to an AM coordinators' meeting to speak w/ them. #nycsc #ows
22:52 pm
Minutes' FA suggests that they hand the Metrocards to the working groups, rather than do it themselves. #nycsc #ows
22:53 pm
A: "The way we do it was set up by GA; we can't go back on that in Spokes." Clarifies that "we know the numbers on these cards..." #nycsc
22:53 pm
Cont'd: ..and they verify that they are being held onto. Verifying work "is up to the point people." They keep a tally and the serial #s.
22:54 pm
Cont'd: "On top of that, we keep a stack of used cards from the week before. If you don't bring your card back, you won't get another." #OWS
22:55 pm
Cont'd: "So, it's a lot easier for us to keep them consolidated, for record-keeping purposes." OK, one more FA on stack. #nycsc #ows
22:56 pm
PoI from Nan, who says she's seen people forge signatures. A: "We've had ppl forge signatures; we've seen people walk outside, change..."
22:56 pm
Cont'd: "...clothes, come back with a different name and ask for another card." So they need someone (WGs) to verify folks. #nycsc #ows
23:01 pm
Sage PoPs, notes that this proposal comes up over and over again, asks if Facilitation can help make things easier next time. #nycsc #ows
23:03 pm
Stairs reminds us that a FA was added that makes this proposal renew itself indefinitely. Housing restates proposal plus FAs. #nycsc #ows
23:03 pm
FAs: "We'll do everything in our power to rotate, this proposal is indefinite, and de-escalation will staff distribution places." #nycsc
23:05 pm
Stairs: "OK, I'd like to take standasides. If your group is standing aside, put your card up." 6 standasides. "Any groups blocking?" #nycsc
23:05 pm
Facilitation is blocking. Some people are surprised. Nan is ecstatic: "I love you! I love you!" Stairs calls for silence. #nycsc #ows
23:07 pm
Facilitation is blocking because of the loop -- "if we do that, we won't need to change the situation until we run out of money." #nycsc
23:08 pm
A: "We accepted an FA about finding better solutions; there's a Transportation working group that will be taking this on..." #nycsc #ows
23:11 pm
Cont'd: "...and I like the bicycle idea, but it will take time to bring them back." Housing and Facilitation are negotiating. #nycsc #ows
23:11 pm
Jason from Housing stands up, and speaks to facilitation. "We've gone to every single working group that could potentially stand.."
23:12 pm
Cont'd: "..to benefit to give us things to do. We were going to go to press to show the Press what ppl in Housing were doing while..."
23:16 pm
Cont'd: "...#OWS was paying for housing." Housing decides to remove re-occuring FA, keep it to 2 weeks, to be sure this doesn't...
23:18 pm
Cont'd: "..get lost in the shuffle without further conversation and improvement." Facilitation changes their block to a yes. #nycsc #ows
23:24 pm
OK, so we're back to basic proposal. $3335/wk for 2wks of Metrocards, plus FAs of having de-escalation present & they'll rotate. #nycsc #ows
23:29 pm
OK, so here's what just happened... Hydro, the "People's Hero", who is some dude who basically just shows up to interrupt meetings, just...
23:30 pm
Cont'd: ...did his thing. Sage, simultaneously, decided to block the Housing proposal simply to try to give Hydro the floor. #nycsc #ows
23:31 pm
Cont'd: The group balked at him doing that, having already ignored Hydro, and then someone pointed out that Sage was spoke on Wednesday.
23:32 pm
So, Sage can't block. "Consensus," Jason declared! But then Nan flipped out, threw herself at Jason, and was forcibly separated. #nycsc #ows
23:35 pm
That's the last proposal, tho, so #NYCSC is over for the night. Thanks for following, fam! Qs, concerns -- hit me up @diceytroop. #ows