00:18 am
@OWSTranslation will try (: can be tough, but will try.
19:22 pm
#OWS GA is starting here in Liberty Square! Follow here and @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4. #nycga #ows
19:24 pm
There is a block right now on Jeff facilitating. There are 2 blocks. #nycga #ows
19:25 pm
These ethical and moral concerns include Jeffs sexist behavior and mock rape trial. #nycga #ows
19:27 pm
Now moving to modified consensus. There are 7 people opposed to Jeff facilitating. #nycga #ows
19:30 pm
There are now multiple PoIs regarding whether Jeff should facilitate #nycga #ows
19:31 pm
Block: a woman left a housing meeting last night bc jeff and others marginalized them #nycga #ows
19:32 pm
PoI:.Is there anyone else who can take stack? #nycga #ows
19:33 pm
Jeff: I would like to address these concerns.. #nycga #ows
19:33 pm
Jeff is trying to assert that he gets to respond to concerns. [Convention is that if facilitators are objected to, they step down w/o this.]
19:34 pm
Stairs: We are going to move to modified consensus on whether Jeff should facilitate #nycga #ows
19:36 pm
Stairs: Hands up if u want Jeff to facilitate (now counting) #nycga #ows
19:36 pm
Stairs: I count ten. Now raise ur hands if u are opposed. #nycga #ows
19:37 pm
Hermes: "We're about to temp check if Jeff will be able to facilitate." There were like 10 in favor, more than 12 against. #nycga #ows
19:38 pm
Stairs: I count 12 who are against. Modified consensus has not been reached, therefore Jeff must step down. #nycga #ows
19:39 pm
Olivia steps up. "I've been thru training, but never facilitated before, so I'd like to ask yr permission to do so tonite." #nycga #ows
19:39 pm
Olivia is roundly approved. OK, Hermes is reading the proposals: first tonight is Vision and Goals. #nycga #ows
19:40 pm
V&G: "This is a very important thing we're doing; we're still on the visions part of it, and we're trying to GSD." Hopes will help… #nycga
19:41 pm
Cont'd: …movement set tone. "We want to reach everyone from Bed-Stuy Brooklyn to Billings, Montana." #nycga #ows
19:41 pm
Cont'd: "We ask that you look at this visions statement w/ an open heart and mind, give us feedback." V&G is a multiracial group...
19:42 pm
Cont'd: "We've been working at it for 3 months now, and we'd love to have this done by MLK's birthday," #J15. #nycga #ows
19:43 pm
"There's been some tension in this group about when this needs to be done… made new proposal, we'll be back every GA this week."#nycga #ows
19:43 pm
Cont'd: "And we're going to ask you if you think the document you have in your hands is #OWS' vision statement." When we say it's done...
19:43 pm
Cont'd: …they'll stop, "show the document around for the next week, and come back to GA a week later for consensus process."#nycga #ows
19:43 pm
Cont;d: "We put the responsibility on you, and we know we can trust you." #nycga #ows
19:45 pm
Here's the proposal, Visions and Goals are reading it aloud right now: http://t.co/CPpcd4xQ #nycga #ows
19:47 pm
@mariavail many more, but not everyone voted on that question. have a feeling many probably felt it came out of left field.
19:49 pm
Visions and Goals, having read the statement, ask for a breakout group. Stairs is temp-checking it… #nycga #ows
19:51 pm
Instead we're going to open stack for questions (w/o leading to consensus), which is improvisational, but that's how we do! #nycga #ows
19:52 pm
CQ: "I'd like this to include giving lands back to indigenous ppl and reparations for slaves." #nycga #ows
19:52 pm
A: "We struggle a lot trying to separate visions and goals; a vision would be a positive thing for the future, reparation is something.."
19:52 pm
Cont'd: "..we're thinking about, and talking about as a group, but it's not as much of a vision about how to be together better, it's.."
19:53 pm
Cont'd: "…more of a goal. So that's the second half of our process, which will be guided by our first." Sumumba notes there is text about..
19:53 pm
Cont'd: …oppression, "which we intend to connect to various areas wherein marginalized groups have been oppressed." #nycga #ows
19:53 pm
CQ: "The vision seems to need to include a vision of the wealth that needs to be available for human needs and equality and health." #nycga
19:54 pm
A: "Underneath equality and people before profit, we address those concerns. But again, this is a vision statement; we still have goals.."
19:55 pm
Cont'd: "…coming -- you can come help us make that." A: "We all want that, it's terribly important, but that's in the goals. Saying what.."
19:55 pm
Cont'd: "..we want to de-concentrate power, will de-concentrate wealth as well." De-concentration is vision, specific means is goal.#nycga
19:56 pm
Nan's CQ: "Why is there no specific language for trans, lesbian and gay ppl?" A: "There is." CQ: "It says gender and/or gender identity.."
19:56 pm
Those are allegedly all listed. Nan: "So what happens w/ this once it's done?" A: "It's GA's to decide what to do w/. It was never our..."
19:57 pm
Cont'd: "..document." Someone else notes that this is a relatively small GA in order to make decisions for the movement… #nycga #ows
19:58 pm
[There's some confusion b/c we're going through beginning of consensus process, but the proposers don't plan to seek consensus tonight. -Ed]
19:59 pm
"We're doing this feedback process w/ you until you say you are done. It's not our job to say when you're done. And if you want us to stop..
19:59 pm
Cont'd: "..tell us, and we'll stop doing this." Sumumba clarifies that they've been here several times. #nycga #ows
19:59 pm
Nan feels her question wasn't answered. "What happens after it's revised and revised and we consense on it?" A: "Framework for goals…"
20:00 pm
Cont'd: "…is the next part of what we were asked to do. The 1st pt is to articulate the vision. We're asking you to tell us how we've done."
20:01 pm
Next: "If we learn from history, and words of MLK and JFK, and others, the way to do this is through nonviolence. Thank you." #nycga #ows
20:02 pm
Next: "RE: people before profit, it's my concern -- there's another gentleman that suggested more or less the same thing: addressing the…"
20:02 pm
Cont'd: "…issue of extreme inequality in this country and trying to overcome this." Feels it's very popular to try to overcome massive...
20:02 pm
Cont'd: …disparity in wealth, "getting worse every day. And this will resonate with working people." #nycga #ows
20:04 pm
OK, that's it for stack. Sumumba: "We have a long way to go; we're not even through the vision yet b/c we need consensus." #nycga #ows
20:04 pm
Cont'd: "We're not looking to make a decision toninight; we're not shoving anything down - we want maximum feedback." #nycga #ows
20:04 pm
Cont'd: "We're trying to be as democratic as possible; it's not going to be 6 of us making decisions for #OWS. The world needs to know.."
20:05 pm
Cont'd: "..what we stand for." V&G thanks us for giving feedback, and they ask we mark up the document and give it to them. #nycga #ows
20:05 pm
V&G: "We're hoping that the process will make sense later, and if you have time tonight, please send us your thoughts." #nycga #ows
20:06 pm
Visions and Goals meets Weds/Thurs at 5:30 pm in 60 Wall, and 12-3 on Sundays. they'd love feedback at nycga.net as well! #nycga #ows
20:07 pm
OK, moving onto the next item on the agenda: Boots of Solidarity! http://t.co/zPCrZkiP #nycga #ows
20:07 pm
Skylar and Stephanie from @OccupyTampa are presenting. "We have a project that we've started working on as of late Dec.." #nycga #ows
20:08 pm
Cont'd: "..and we'd actually like some help from #OWS in working on this. The idea is to travel from occupation to occupation across the.."
20:08 pm
Cont'd: "…US and help network, put everything online, do interviews w/ people occupying and keep the movement pushing forward.."
20:08 pm
Cont'd: "…even more than it already is." They're reading the proposal now; again here's the text: http://t.co/zPCrZkiP #nycga #ows
20:10 pm
The proposal is a budget request for $100/week for gas as they travel around from occupation to occupation. #nycga #ows
20:11 pm
First on stack: "I love the idea; I think it's great; but what happens if one week you spend $98? Do you send the rest back to us?" #nycga
20:12 pm
A: Yes (essentially). POI: "Finance pays out w/ receipts, so it's not like they're going to get $100 and have to give extra back." #nycga
20:12 pm
CQ: "Are you working w/ Mobile Occupation from #OWS?" A: "No." CQ: "How long will those go on?" A: "Goal is 1 year. If it.." #nycga #ows
20:12 pm
Cont'd: "…continues longer, we go longer. If it abruptly comes to an end.. we have a new home!" #nycga #ows
20:12 pm
CQ: "This is nitpicky, but you mentioned a podcast, but sounds like you want to livestream. which is it?" A: "Podcast was a general term.."
20:13 pm
Cont'd: "…I'm a filmmaker, so we'll be live streaming, but will be multiple mediums -- blogging, podcasts, etc." #nycga #ows
20:13 pm
CQ: "I love this. I really do. But, I got a question. Have you guys considered doing fundraising on your own to collect $100/week, or.."
20:14 pm
Cont'd: "…getting a sponsor? Because #OWS is running out of money." A: "We have fundraising in Tampa for us, but we have…" #nycga #ows
20:14 pm
Cont'd: "…very little money to get this started." If they can up their fundraising, there'll be no need for #OWS to continue funding. #nycga
20:15 pm
CQ: "Have you considered: when you see drummers on the train, and they drum, they ask for money. If you ask for ppl to give you 1 penny.."
20:15 pm
Cont'd: "…ppl will naturally give you more money. And that will be enough to get you what you need. But we can recruit from schools..."
20:15 pm
Cont'd: "…to get more ppl to help you w/ what you're doing. We can help." A: "I'm learning to play the Trumpet; she plays the violin." Hahah
20:16 pm
Cont'd: "The problem is, when you have a 2-man team, that makes it difficult to do what we set out to do if we're constantly fundraising."
20:16 pm
CQ: "RE: video, filming -- I understand several museums are interested in history of #OWS. Would your video get into those types of places?"
20:16 pm
Cont'd: "…or, I don't know, maybe even a movie." A: "We haven't contacted them; not sure how to address that. It's something we could..."
20:17 pm
Cont'd: "…get into. Possibly at the end, we could make a movie about the travel we did, but that's aside from what the project is." #nycga
20:17 pm
CQ: "I've read this proposal, not sure how this is different from some things already going on. Wondering if you've looked to see how.."
20:17 pm
Cont'd: "..you can network w/ some of these same ppl?" A: "We hadn't heard of Mobile Occupation; we're aware of #occumentary…" #nycga #ows
20:18 pm
Cont'd: "…we're completely open to whatever it is #OWS would like to do with us, essentially. We're open to ideas." #nycga #ows
20:18 pm
OK, now concerns. "I'd like to see a more explicit understanding of what you guys are going to be doing." #nycga #ows
20:19 pm
A: "Essentially the goal is to network the occupations together; we noticed that this was a problem in Tampa when St. Petersburg was so..."
20:19 pm
Cont'd: "..close. But for some reason, they wouldn't come over. They wouldn't know about our direct actions or us theirs." Feels this is...
20:21 pm
Cont'd: "…vital to our movement. The fact that we're not just in one city, but in many." #nycga #ows
20:21 pm
Concern: "Maybe the Mobile Occupation, which is doing some of this stuff among other things, could be worked with." #nycga #ows
20:21 pm
A: "You said that was just for 2 weeks? [Well, it's 5, w/ 2wk max per person.] We want to do this indefinitely." #nycga #ows
20:22 pm
Nicole's Concern: "It seems hard to allocate indefinitely; maybe you could put a number on it. Our resources are finite." #nycga #ows
20:22 pm
A: "One of the reasons I don't want to ask for a sum of money is that $100/week isn't a lot to start off. If we can get outside donations.."
20:22 pm
Cont'd: "…we wouldn't need that money from #OWS that week, because we'd have it from somewhere else." #nycga #ows
20:22 pm
Cont'd: "There are also concerns about people asking for money and not following through. Doing this week to week secures against.."
20:23 pm
Cont'd: "..us doing this." Nicole asks if they've talked to finance; they have a friend here at #OWS (Billy) who is willing to handle $.
20:23 pm
Trish's FA: "My concern is, I have a question w/ any monies being transferred from Finance to a separate and distinct account weekly."
20:24 pm
Cont'd: "If we start that process, we won't be able to control process." FA is that they find another way to do it. #nycga #ows
20:25 pm
They're not quite sure what Trish wants. It sounds like they're not talking about the same thing, since it's not like we're just dumping...
20:26 pm
…cash into their accounts. Next concern is again about #OccuTrip; maybe "you could travel w/ them and then continue on if you want…"#nycga
20:26 pm
Cont'd: "…maybe through process of being with them, you'd meet a lot of ppl." Could learn from it. "They've been working on it for..."#nycga
20:26 pm
Cont'd: "…a long time." A: "We like the idea of being involved w/ them, but concerned about short time period and max of 2 weeks/person."
20:27 pm
Dallas' FA: "No matter what the allocation is, none is getting paid out until you send in receipts." Should just restate proposal for year..
20:28 pm
Cont'd: "You start getting money when you give receipts, so why not just ask for $5200?" A: "We didn't want to just ask for lump.. #nycga
20:28 pm
Cont'd: "…sum of money." But other proposal is getting that they don't get money w/o receipts, so it's kind of the same thing. #nycga #ows
20:28 pm
So the FA would be that it would be for a year's funding of up to $100/week. So, up to $5200. #nycga #ows
20:28 pm
Dan: "I love what you're thinking, and like this idea. My FA would be this: as far as the indefinite weekly expenses, another way to do it..
20:29 pm
Cont'd: "..would be to give you $100, and then talk to Mobile Occupation and Livestream and others and see if there's a better way to do it.
20:29 pm
Cont'd: "And then you could come back, so it wouldn't be indefinite." A: "Can it be reimbursement for bus/train rather than gas? Cheaper...
20:29 pm
Cont'd: "…and better for the environment. Thank you." A: "W/ the amount of items we're carrying w/ us, it would be virtually…" #nycga
20:30 pm
Cont'd: "…impossible to travel by bus or train or any means rather than car." Nan's FA: "I'm torn. I'm from Florida; I have a love…"#nycga
20:30 pm
Cont'd: "…and a hate for Florida." But she suggests they find another way to raise the $100 a week, or maybe raise half on their own. #nycga
20:31 pm
Next: Bernadette's FA: "I wish to applaud your ambition of living on $100/week, I want to know if you've tried that before w/ 2 ppl." #nycga
20:31 pm
Contd: "…outside of the state of Florida." A: "Yes, for the last 3 years I've lived w/ 2 ppl in Kansas on less." But they just want for gas.
20:32 pm
A: "I'm a fan of dumpster diving; I can pretty much get free food and showers wherever. We just want #OWS to help us go from occupation.."
20:32 pm
Cont'd: "…to occupation." FA: "Have you approached any other #occupy groups?" A: "We've been in 6 or 7… we have kind of talked about it…"
20:33 pm
Cont'd: "…I think that through announcing who we are, and having the backing of #OWS behind us, as we get to more occupations, they'll.."
20:33 pm
Cont'd: "..want to help us out." Trish asks if they have considered taking donations. A: "We have fundraising on website.." #nycga #ows
20:33 pm
Cont'd: "..and we're taking donations from Tampa." Just starting project, not taking donations as of yet, they say. #nycga #ows
20:35 pm
Restating proposal: "We're requesting $5200 from #OWS, up to $100/week, for a year, for Boots of Solidarity" road trip. #nycga #ows
20:36 pm
OK, Stairs is temp-checking on moving towards consensus. Looks good. Any blocks? No blocks. Consensus! #nycga #ows
20:37 pm
Check out @SolidarityBoots on Twitter to follow their voyage! #nycga #ows
20:38 pm
Next, Richard, who wants to form a Political Prisoner working group. "I worked w/ Black Panthers, Young Lords, Weather Underground…" #nycga
20:38 pm
Cont'd; "I've been working on Mumia's case for a long time. One of my friends is a BP and I want him to be involved in this." #nycga #ows
20:39 pm
Cont'd: "Another urgent problem; have you heard of Lynn Stewart?" Appeal coming up; husband Ralph wants to plan an encampment. #nycga #ows
20:39 pm
Cont'd: "So that way, in February, this court is packed." Lynn Stewart, 71, has defended political prisoners her whole life, he says. #nycga
20:41 pm
"If she loses this appeal, she's… not going to last more years in there." In January, "I'd like to do a teach-in about movements.." #nycga
20:41 pm
Cont'd: "…that were funded by the people, and why they're relevant today. From the Young Lords, to Sacco/Vanzetti, to the Iroquois treaty."
20:43 pm
"I want to show Fred Hampton, the free clinics; all funded by the ppl." Feels #OWS is lacking political, legal education. #nycga #ows
20:43 pm
"So, if the best lawyer in the country is in jail on phony charges, do we have a chance w/o education?" Peltier has diabetes.. #nycga #ows
20:43 pm
Cont'd; "What they do is move a political prisoner as far as they can from lawyers, family, so they run out of money." #nycga #ows
20:44 pm
Cont'd: "We should give Tariq some money so he can take a day off and come…" #nycga #ows
20:45 pm
He wants to build a library, so tht when people die off, their voices are on the record at #OWS. Didn't know how to bring it up. #nycga #OWS
20:46 pm
Reading proposal: He wants to show the Fred Hampton movie at a theater, w/ signs and fliers, no specific date yet. #nycga #ows
20:46 pm
He'd also like to build an encampment for February and start having marches to 500 Pearl Street, and do teach-ins in front of the court...
20:47 pm
POP: "This isn't on the website; it can't be brought tonight, even though I like what you're talking about." #nycga #ows
20:47 pm
Hermes says that it's his fault; he accepted it. He asks him to put it on the web and come back for next GA. #nycga #ows
20:49 pm
POI: "I was helping Rich; like he said, he's a luddite. He was a little scared of the process. Overwhelmed, has no computer skills." #nycga
20:49 pm
Cont'd: "So we went to 60 Wall to help, and there was some confusion-- I thought it would go to next GA; there was just some confusion."
20:49 pm
Cont'd: "Rich didn't do anything wrong, there was just some confusion about how the proposal was to be handled." #nycga #ows
20:51 pm
Taking a second to help proposer understand why he's being interrupted; we have a 24-hour review requirement. #nycga #ows
20:53 pm
There's an emergency proposal, so we'll hear the details and then decide whether it was "subject to a deadline not previously knowable."
20:53 pm
So, this is the next proposal: "My proposal is, my sister is stranded in Illinois. She went to Chicago Occupation for help…" #nycga #ows
20:53 pm
Cont'd: "…she's been part of occupation for over a month. They denied her funding for a bus ticket to be part of occupation here for..."
20:54 pm
Cont'd: "..protection from the cops and all that." She's the last family he has left. He's been on a hunger strike to try to raise $...
20:54 pm
Cont'd: …& he can't do it. "She either needs $101 for a Greyhound ticket, or $84 for a Chinatown bus ticket, which is $4 for wire transfer."
20:55 pm
"She needs to get down here to help out. She is like a computer genius. She has a Masters, went to college at 16." Big benefit for media...
20:55 pm
Cont'd: …livestream, and "all the stuff we do on the computers." Occupy Chicago said they were more concerned about bail. #nycga #ows
20:56 pm
OK……… …. . .. .. . …. .. we're going to temp check whether this is an emergency proposal or not. Very negative, looks to me. Folks are...
20:56 pm
Cont'd: …taking up a collection for him instead. #nycga #ows
21:03 pm
K, so we're onto the next proposal: Blocks Protocol at General Assembly. Text: http://t.co/r8VBRV3J #nycga #ows
21:03 pm
Sean explains: "Essentially, it makes blocks susceptible to points of process. A block is a moral, safety, or ethical concern…" #nycga #ows
21:03 pm
Cont'd: "…if it ain't one, it ain't a block. I've heard blocks of "bite me."" #nycga #ows
21:04 pm
CQ: "Normally POPs are recognized by Facilitators. You're giving Facilitators ability to recognize POPs on blocks?" #nycga #ows
21:04 pm
A: "Yes, essentially the group will need to reach 75% consensus on the block's validity if it is PoPed." #nycga #ows
21:05 pm
POI from Structure WG member: "Informally, we agreed to this when Sean brought it to us." #nycga #ows
21:05 pm
CQ: "The wording is confusing-- not sure about #1 or the sunset clause." A: "The Sunset Clause is… blocks are based on common values…"
21:05 pm
Cont'd: "…we currently don't have one of these, and that's part of our problem." This would expire if we pass a community agreement. #nycga
21:06 pm
CQ: "And RE: #1, can you explain it better?" A: "I say, 'my block is so-and-so.' You say, 'That doesn't sound like an ethical, moral…"#nycga
21:06 pm
Cont'd: '…or safety concern.' And then the blocker will repeat their block, b/c people don't always listen to every word at GA." #nycga #ows
21:07 pm
Trish, who says she represents the "GA working group" notes that this makes a big change and that there are only about 3 dozen here. #nycga
21:07 pm
CQ: "How is this different from modified consensus, a straw poll?" A: "We don't want to paint ourselves in the corner; if it's not good...
21:08 pm
Cont'd: "..we don't want to make it impossible to unpass this. Modified consensus is similar, but this will prevent it from being needed.."
21:08 pm
Cont'd: "..some of the time." 1 person's block, if valid, would normally turn into more down votes in modified consensus. #nycga #ows
21:09 pm
But this, ideally, he says, would prevent modified consensus. Someone asks how this doesn't just lower bar to 75%… #nycga #ows
21:09 pm
A: "If there are 7 blocks, only one block needs to be real to move to modified consensus." CQ: "And this is supposed to save time?" Ha. #OWS
21:11 pm
Concerns now. 1st: "I really don't understand this, while I do understand and support why you're doing this. One is, you said we don't.."
21:11 pm
Cont'd: "…have points of agreement," but points to a few things we have agreed on, i.e. principles of solidarity. #nycga #ows
21:12 pm
Cont'd: "The other part of it is, it seems to me it just convolutes the process. So while some people do obstruct the process, it's like.."
21:12 pm
Cont'd: "..you're now throwing in another modified consensus that's less than 90%." #nycga #ows
21:12 pm
Cont'd: "Also, I don't like the idea that sometime down the line someone could veto the 3rd or 4th block I've made in as many months."
21:13 pm
A: "One rule is, don't make a weapon you wouldn't want turned on you." If you've only blocked a few times, you probably had a moral...
21:13 pm
Cont'd: …ethical, or safety concern. "If this fits that shape, a block holds." The answer will usually be that it's valid. #nycga #ows
21:14 pm
Conor's Concern: "This is a similar concern as to why this is brought up; some ppl use a block to make themselves moral compasses.."
21:14 pm
Cont'd: "…for the GA, which I've become more concerned w/ over time." GA's job, he says, is to reach consensus. Supports prop. #nycga #ows
21:15 pm
Trish's concern: "There's less than 3 dozen there; this proposal, as I understand, will only be in effect for one week until Safer Spaces.."
21:15 pm
Cont'd: "…completes and passes their community agreement." She says she understands this is a temporary implement to see how… #nycga #ows
21:16 pm
Cont'd: …it works. She also says Safer Spaces' proposal is "phenomenal" and very important, and that this would convolute GA. #nycga #ows
21:17 pm
Sean notes Safer Spaces is going to propose to bring CA to Spokescouncil, but it's different from GA, will be "several weeks.." #nycga #ows
21:17 pm
Cont'd: "…before it gets to GA." Notes other occupations have spent quite awhile in GA. Shazz says he feels this might delay passage of CA..
21:17 pm
Sean's A: "This should, if anything, help pass the community agreement by making obstructionist blocks disappear." #nycga #ows
21:18 pm
Concern: "Obviously, eat me is an obvious block, but when you're talking about ethical concerns, that's hard." #nycga #ows
21:18 pm
A: "Many ppl have expressed their moral objection to this w/o stating what it was." Doesn't want to accept invalid reasons anymore. #nycga
21:19 pm
Sean notes also that even though there's 2 dozen ppl there, there were 22 positive comments on the website. #nycga #ows
21:19 pm
Brett: "I'm not sure where to start; I have an incredible amount of concerns w/ this. I think we've seen quite often that, while I love.."
21:19 pm
Cont'd: "..this community passionately, it's not always a safe space. So I'd like to have faith that in some cases, someone might have.."
21:20 pm
Cont'd: "..a moral or ethical concern that they don't feel safe expressing. At some pt, we need to trust tht ppl come here to act in good.."
21:20 pm
Cont'd: "…faith. So in absence of community agreement, and shared values," which he's not even sure we should document...
21:20 pm
Cont'd: "…this feels exclusive to me, and adds an incredible amount of process" (speaking, he notes, as a facilitator.) #nycga #ows
21:22 pm
OK, friendly amendments now. Matt: "If, after a GA or 2, it's determined that certain blocks are invalid, could it have a vote again.."
21:22 pm
Cont'd: "..saying this proposal is not working? If it seems like we're not working and we don't like it." #nycga #ows
21:23 pm
A: "Everything can be undone w/ proposal. Bt I'm fine w/ specifically stating tht in proposal anyway." Not even w/ time delay. #nycga #ows
21:23 pm
Shazz wants to firm it up: "Can we try this for a week, and vote next Sunday based on whether it works or not?" A: "I accept." #nycga #ows
21:24 pm
Sean asks Matt if he'd like to set his aside in favor of Shazz, and he agrees. Someone else doesn't understand FA… #nycga #ows
21:24 pm
Sean: "This says, if we pass a community agreement statement, this will fade out after 1 week." She wasn't sure if that was before/after.
21:25 pm
Nan's FA: "This proposal, I feel like is… basically -- nothing personal, Sean, but you have a lot of agendas that are not very good for.."
21:25 pm
Cont'd: "…the people, and this proposal is attacking certain ppl or certain groups. You're trying to silence the ppl." FA is to not do it.
21:25 pm
Nan says she'll block, which is amazing. #nycga #ows
21:26 pm
Sean: "That's not a friendly amendment. That's basically just, 'will you light this on fire?'" #nycga #ows
21:26 pm
Lopi's FA: "Can we burn the proposal and get warm?" Sean: "After it passes, you can light the fire w/ these [printouts of proposal]."#nycga
21:27 pm
Restating: "Proposal is to allow POPs on blocks that are not moral, ethical, or safety concerns. Blocker will restate, and then a straw.."
21:27 pm
Cont'd: "…poll will be taken after the PoP has been issued, there'll be a 75% threshold on whether the block is valid." #nycga #ows
21:27 pm
Cont'd: "It's a trial period for a week.. we'll be back to vote on this next Sunday." #nycga #ows
21:28 pm
OK, moving to consensus. Stairs: "Any standasides?" 5 standasides. Brett clarifies that a stand aside is typically, "you have a concern.."
21:28 pm
Cont'd: "…with this proposal, but it's more a personal concern than a movement-wide concern, which is a block." #nycga #ows
21:29 pm
Cont'd; "It means, I won't stop the community from moving forward w/ the proposal." #nycga #ows
21:29 pm
Nan is blocking. "I am sick and tired of you guys coming here to GA, forcing your rules and regulations how GA was written for the people."
21:30 pm
Cont'd: "This is silence. You are taking away ppl's opportunity for blocking, and I'm blocking b/c it's silencing." #nycga #ows
21:30 pm
A: "This is not intended to silence ppl. This is intended to equalize voices so that ppl who block 100 times can't block 100 times." #nycga
21:30 pm
Trish says her stand aside is based on her working group asking her to stand aside. Not gonna even touch that… #nycga #ows
21:31 pm
Moving to next block, Brett. "I don't have anything to add aside from my concerns earlier." #nycga #ows
21:31 pm
People ask him to restate. "My concerns, as I stated earlier… among many things, I feel like this adds on process unecessarily..."
21:32 pm
Cont'd: "…I think it will become a way to target individuals and not the issues at hand; it feels punitive, not sure we have right as.."
21:32 pm
Cont'd: "…community to address concerns of specific individuals; that's why we have a process of modified consensus." #nycga #ows
21:32 pm
Cont'd: "We don't debate the validity of anyone's individual concerns. I could go on, but that…" #nycga #ows
21:33 pm
A: "I worry that we don't have the ability to agree whether a block is valid. So 'eat me' stands -- even that." Says agreed to 1 week trial.
21:33 pm
Brett: "I don't feel comfortable putting a 1 week trial on what I feel is immoral, so I hold my block." #nycga #ows
21:34 pm
Trish moves her standaside to a block. "I just got a call." Yikes. Someone mic checks they're tired of Nan whipping their vote. #nycga #ows
21:35 pm
She also notes that these ppl are calling friends in other places and countries to come and block this. "I want this on the record." #nycga
21:35 pm
"She's threatening that Razor is coming back to me, now. I also want that on the record." #nycga #ows
21:41 pm
There were 6 blocks, and 3 standasides. Proposer now has option to move to modified consensus. "If you agree, raise yr hand." #nycga #ows
21:43 pm
There are 16 for, and 9 against. So, clearly not making modified consensus. #nycga #ows
21:44 pm
Stairs: "There are 50 ppl, and 9 are against. Proposal does not pass." "See you again Tuesday," Sean says. #nycga #ows
21:45 pm
OK, moving to announcements. "I wanted to make a pitch for an emergency proposal which passed in Friday night Labor Outreach mtg.."
21:45 pm
Cont'd: "…to have a protest against MTA and Goldman Sachs. GS is the financial adviser to the MTA. They are biggest bond seller in country..
21:45 pm
Cont'd: "…of municipal bonds." Want us to endorse this demonstration on an emergency basis. #nycga #ows
21:47 pm
We've told him that they don't need to do that as Labor Outreach are empowered to support protests w/o GA approval. #nycga #ows
21:48 pm
Next announcement: "There's a teach-in at 12pm Monday, at 60 Wall on how to bring forth an environmentally sustainable, socially just.."
21:48 pm
Cont'd: "...and spiritually fulfilling human presence on earth." "Come and enjoy 2 great facilitators!" #nycga #ows
21:49 pm
Conor is working w/ a new working group to provide a platform for GA and working groups to have their own space, live/work situations, etc.
21:49 pm
Cont'd: "If anyone wants to talk about that, come find me." Next, Matt: "Wednesday, my friend is doing a roast of @ElBloombito at the.."
21:50 pm
Cont'd: "...Yippie Cafe, 9 Bleeker, at 8pm; proceeds will be split w/ Yippie Cafe, which is an activist cafe that has supported mvmnt..."
21:51 pm
Cont'd: "...and w/ Livestream." Richard announces he'll put his proposal through proper process and then bring it to the nxt GA. #nycga #ows
21:52 pm
Facilitation asks for feedback, & wants to apologize "because I've never done it before and stepped up tioday." We THANK her; she did great.
21:54 pm
OK! That's the GA! Thanks for reading tweeps! [Qs, comments, concerns, hit me up at @diceytroop. -Ed.] Have a great night! #nycga #ows