15:08 pm
RT @OWSFacilitation: Spokes Council at 7pm tonight. West Park Presbyterian Church.165 W 86th St,1/B/C to 86th St. This is an all-inclusi ...
19:32 pm
Hi fam! The #OWS Spokescouncil meeting tonight is starting. Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4 for tweets. #nycsc
19:33 pm
Daryl and Hermes will co-facilitate tonight. We'll refer to them as "Stairs" for short. #nycsc #ows
19:34 pm
Tonight's meeting has a hard end time of 10. "There are items on the agenda from last week, so we'll review, then reportbacks, then agenda."
19:34 pm
1: "Empower the body as a spokescouncil," 2. "Talk about how to deal w/ disruptors," 3. A proposal from town planning for those things...
19:35 pm
Cont'd: 4. Discuss issue from last week of exclusion, 5. Defining what a Spokescouncil is / its purpose. #nycsc #ows
19:35 pm
Stairs takes the room's temperature: "Do we all agree to start w/ how to deal w/ disrupters?" "That's pretty mixed." #nycsc #ows
19:36 pm
Daryl gets a much warmer response for discussing completing the formation of the Spokescouncil. Ths process was interrupted by eviction #OWS
19:37 pm
Now we're temp-checking discussing what happened at Friday's spokes. "That's pretty mixed." #nycsc #ows
19:37 pm
Someone says: "The GA is the only body that can nominate spokes." [I don't think that's true. -Ed.] #nycsc #ows
19:39 pm
"How does the current group feel about discussing the definition of the Spokescouncil as the second agenda item?" Mixed... #nycsc #ows
19:42 pm
Nan came in. "Just in time!" she said. @carriem213 raised the issue that Nan was a spoke last Wednesday, so she cannot spoke tonight. #nycsc
19:43 pm
Nan is saying she came just to make an announcement, but Carrie says the list says she signed in as a spoke. #nycsc #ows
19:43 pm
Robert notes that the once-a-week Spoking proposal, passed recently, says in the text "even momentarily" counts as Spoking. #nycsc #ows
19:44 pm
Carrie: "The proposal this body passed says that people cannot Spoke twice in a 7-day period. She spoked Wednesday." #nycsc #ows
19:44 pm
Nathan: "The only thing we can go by that's not opinion or a statement is that sign-in sheet that Minutes is empowered to maintain." #nycsc
19:45 pm
[Livestream of tonight's Spokescouncil thx to @TesselizaTC: http://t.co/gOQzGBgT] #nycsc #ows
19:46 pm
Nan's discussion with Stairs and Carrie turned into a back-and-forth, with Nan filibustering, raising noise and tension in the room. #nycsc
19:48 pm
Lots of people put up "respect the house" hand signals, which is with two hands making a roof overhead. #nycsc #ows
19:49 pm
Someone else really wants to talk about how working groups shouldn't disavow people. I have a feeling what that's about. #nycsc #ows
19:49 pm
WG reportbacks! Facilitation: "Last night, we were evicted from a POPS space that was supposed to be open 7am to midnight." #nycsc #ows
19:50 pm
Cont'd: "We'll be holding the GA tomorrow at 100 William St, in solidarity w/ DA, @OWScom, NLG, maybe ACLU and city council members."
19:50 pm
Cont'd: "We need all of you to go for this action." Robert: "What we're doing tomorrow is very important, and that we're on our best..."
19:51 pm
Cont'd: "..behavior." Asks that anyone with interest in more dramatic action hold off tomorrow, and that we focus on our GA process.#nycsc
19:51 pm
Next, Lopi from Direct Action Painters: "I need 6 ppl tomorrow to hold banners that talk about free assembly, so they can form protective.."
19:52 pm
Cont'd: "...space around" the GA tomorrow. Safer spaces next: "We're working on a community agreement process. We've been..." #nycsc
19:53 pm
Cont'd: "...circulating copies, and we have copies here tonight." Would like feedback & for working groups to adopt it as their own. #nycsc
19:54 pm
Legal's rprtback: "RE: meeting tomorrow @ 56 Walker from 5-7pm, Legal wants NLG to hear more from OWS, answer Qs abt movement legal issues."
19:55 pm
Also, Legal is working on lawsuits against the city and Brookfield and is planning broad actions in support of those filings. #nycsc #ows
19:57 pm
Ashley from PoCC is telling us about the debriefing we heard about before two Spokescouncils ago. Someone else calls her out for her...
19:57 pm
Cont'd: ...report not reflecting PoCC meetings or listserv. She lifted up facilitation accountability and commitment to justice. #nycsc #ows
19:58 pm
Accounting: "Bring us receipts, plus we always love to see you!" Volunteer Services: "We've changed our name to OWS Works!" #nycsc #ows
19:58 pm
Arts and Culture: "We have a number of the Declaration of the Occupation flowchart posters here tonight for folks who have a use for them."
19:59 pm
Jackie: "You may have read in the press that both the 32J and Nurses' contracts were settled, and they think it's because #OWS was..."
20:00 pm
Cont'd: "...involved." Not the greatest contact, but it's "our victory!" #nycsc #ows
20:01 pm
OK, so we're moving onto empowering this body as a Spokescouncil. "The first process was to approve groups, and then we'd be empowered..."
20:02 pm
Robert notes that the proposal for tonight was to just plain call the Spokescouncil empowered. Carrie clarifies... #nycsc #ows
20:02 pm
Carrie: "Melanie's item was to decide, once and for all, whether we are empowered as a Spokescouncil." #nycsc #ows
20:06 pm
There's some confusion as to whether to treat this as a proposal, to empower the Spokes, or to temp check whether we feel empowered. #nycsc
20:07 pm
Facilitation: "There's some confusion about what the procedure is. Can we review what the process was of creating spokes?" #nycsc #ows
20:08 pm
Robert offers to pull up the original document that created Spokescouncil; Nan yells out she doesn't trust Robert to do so. #nycsc #ows
20:09 pm
CQ: "Does the document specify when Spokes would become active?" Robert says it doesn't. Someone else says we should just do stuff. #nycsc
20:10 pm
Also in question: do we start over approving groups, continue where we left off, or do we consider it empowered without doing so? #nycsc
20:11 pm
Robert's take: "The question before the body tonight is, 'is it empowered or is it not?', yes or no." #nycsc #ows
20:13 pm
Tonight's Stairs seem a little unsure how to proceed in determining which question we're answering: 'empowered already?'/ 'how to empower?'
20:14 pm
Nathan, spoking for Facilitation, suggests that we need to have a common understanding of where we are before we can move fwd. #nycsc #ows
20:15 pm
Someone points out that during the 'weird period' after the assembly process for SC broke down, "everyone was a Spoke", meaning all WGs.
20:16 pm
Cont'd: "Does that mean that we're already spokes or not?" Someone else asks if we really want to return to arduous confirmation process.
20:16 pm
Someone: "It'd be better than what we've been doing," arduous or not. De-escalation spoke continues, asking whether we want to develop...
20:16 pm
Cont'd: ...another process. POP: "PoC did not empower Ashley to act as our spokes. We've been in communication w/ other members of our..."
20:17 pm
Cont'd: "...caucus, and this kills me to interrupt this productive discussion, but this is not cool. This is not OK." #nycsc #ows
20:18 pm
POPer: "We're empowered as a caucus to convene." PoC is convening! [I love this superpower. Surprise unity moment!] #nycsc #ows
20:19 pm
They're convening outside the room tho, my impression is it's not to halt the process as last time. #nycsc #ows
20:19 pm
Next, someone points out, someone could show up in 6 months and say, "hey, you got everything back on track on January 2nd, but looking.."
20:20 pm
Cont'd: "...at your documents from before, you're still not actually valid." That's what he's concerned about.. suggests that 19 groups...
20:20 pm
Cont'd: ...that have been previously approved could spoke and approve new groups. Or, we could return to full pre-spokes process. #nycsc
20:20 pm
Cont'd: "We may also need a new proposal on how to include new groups, if we choose to start w/ existing 19." #nycsc #ows
20:21 pm
Stairs summarizes: "2 options: 1 is that we empower the 19 groups as current sitting spokescouncil, then have new process for adding more."
20:21 pm
Cont'd: "..or, we can go back to where we were before, and vote them in as if last 2 months had never happened." #nycsc #ows
20:22 pm
Nina, Spoke for Info: "I think we should acknowledge that stuff has changed significantly since Spokescouncil passed." Trying to stick...
20:23 pm
Cont'd: ..to process established pre-eviction is "like sticking a square peg in a round hole." We should be easier on ourselves. #nycsc #ows
20:23 pm
Nina cont'd: "Do we have enough intelligent people in the room to make decisions?" Imagines what we'd be talking about if not this. #nycsc
20:23 pm
Robert: "Either this group of people decides that we're a body that's empowered tonight, or we've got to resume the intake process."
20:25 pm
Stephen: is 3rd option: "Whoever is in an approved working group, thru working group process now in place since GA proposal, gets a spoke."
20:27 pm
Someone: "We've already made plans as spokes, acted as spokes. Deciding whether or not we're spokes is like deciding whether we're human."
20:27 pm
Legal agrees w/ the "concise gentleman." "We're all in the room, we're all spokes; this convo should end, we can remove groups in future."
20:28 pm
Facilitation: "Spokes is empowered to modify spokes; we felt empowered to do that, & can make everyone who's involved now a spoke, be done."
20:29 pm
Next two people agree with this idea. Stairs requests that minutes read back the list of options and then somehow choose. #nycsc #ows
20:31 pm
PoCC re-enters the room, and Ashley has officially been given the power to Spoke for PoCC tonight. #nycsc #ows
20:33 pm
Tech notes that they don't feel the eviction changes the definition of "operational" very much. #nycsc #ows
20:33 pm
Tech: "Spokes has the ability to change itself... we allowed groups not confirmed to speak, no one complained. So I think we changed..."
20:34 pm
Cont'd: "...Spokes in doing that, and we shouldn't have to go back to that decision." #nycsc #ows
20:34 pm
Stairs notes there's an issue, which is whether or not we are going to deviate from the official process written by the GA. #nycsc #ows
20:35 pm
Others say, "We've already done it." Ashley says that PoCC folks "she's talked to" thinks proposals being brought shld be run by caucuses...
20:36 pm
Cont'd: ...before being brought to Spokes. "And not all disruptions are visible; some are subtle." #nycsc #ows
20:37 pm
Safer Spaces says their understanding is that the 19 groups approved are the Spokes, except for the decision we made to let all be spokes...
20:37 pm
Cont'd: ...which we could re-state now, or just continue w/ without further resolution. #nycsc #ows
20:38 pm
Stephen notes again his suggestion that the proposal that "becomes effective on the 20th" to define working groups could resolve the issue.
20:39 pm
Next: "This discussion started again b/c a financial proposal was brought to Spokes, and Finance WG questioned its empowerment." #nycsc #ows
20:39 pm
"I don't want us to stick to process so much that it will be problematic." Since GA is definitely the empowered decision-making body...
20:40 pm
Cont'd: ...this might be a conversation that should be brought to the GA. "I know that's unpopular," but there might be issues. #nycsc #ows
20:40 pm
@Scott1850 eh? can't do this on facebook. what do you mean tho?
20:41 pm
Labor Outreach working group notes that the proposal on the floor solves the problem by just straight-up declaring whether we're empowered.
20:41 pm
"Another proposal can come up to determine who is a spokes. But let's get thru this question of whether this body is empowered." #nycsc #ows
20:42 pm
Stairs agrees, and wants to put the question of whether or not this body is empowered -- people are excited. "Right now!" everyone says...
20:43 pm
...in actually profound unison. I'm not even exaggerating. Not everyone, but like many people. Loud refrain: "Right now!" #nycsc #ows
20:44 pm
So, Stairs is going to temp check moving to consensus on empowering Spokescouncil, "pending working out rest of details." #nycsc #ows
20:47 pm
Someone asked who (which working groups) would receive this empowerment since we may empower the SC... Stairs says, "Everyone in this..."
20:49 pm
Cont'd: "...room will be empowered for now." We've done a temperature check and are moving to consensus on empowering the #nycsc. #ows
20:51 pm
CONSENSUS! Everyone flips out as we resolve a small question that's festered and grown since eviction: cn we approve budget requests? #nycsc
20:52 pm
Stairs: "The spokescouncil is currently empowered to move forward and to make decisions, the first two of which will be what we do about..."
20:52 pm
Cont'd: "...moving in groups." Someone nominates Housing to join the Spokescouncil, trying to get right down to business. #nycsc #ows
20:54 pm
Nathan (Facilitation) proposes that "the guidelines for membership in the Spokescouncil would be in keeping w/ accepted guidelines..."
20:54 pm
Cont'd: "...of what is needed to be a working group or caucus in #OWS" as per the Comhub proposal from 12/20. #nycsc #ows
20:56 pm
CQ: "In original SC proposal, didn't it give the SC the ability to admit or not admit a working group?" GA may have criteria, but SC...
20:56 pm
Cont'd: ...can set additional criteria. "They don't need to be admitted just because they meet GA criteria." #nycsc #ows
20:57 pm
[For the record, re: conflict b/w Nan and Minutes, Nan is standing to the side, not spoking nor currently disrupting the meeting.]
20:58 pm
De-escalation suggests we just let new WGs or caucuses come to one meeting, watch the first time, then be Spokes, until/unless removed.
20:59 pm
Press: "What does that mean for working groups that aren't working groups? Like the "Destroy Spokes" WG, or NYCGA Council WG?" #nycsc #ows
21:00 pm
POI: "An option: on the 20th, when the Comhub proposal kicks in, we're going to have far fewer working groups." Spokescouncil... #nycsc #ows
21:01 pm
Cont'd: ...could require that Spokes meet those minimum standards, as a given. Also, "this may be an opportune moment to have an open..."
21:01 pm
Cont'd: "...discussion about what the Spokescouncil ought to be." Reviewing: min 5 members, minutes need to be posted, must... #nycsc #ows
21:03 pm
Cont'd: "...meet somewhere in the area once a week." Those are some of the Comhub criteria for being a working group. #nycsc #ows
21:05 pm
[The OWSNYC streamers have had some technical difficulties tonight, but they want you to know they're back up: http://t.co/gOQzGBgT ! ]
21:06 pm
Robert complained that this discussion isn't part of the agenda we agreed on Friday and wants to go to previous items, starting w/ the...
21:07 pm
...confirmation of his WG as a member of Spokes. But Stairs isn't certain we're ready to have that discussion until we decide how Spokes..
21:07 pm
Cont'd: ...will be added. De-escalation agrees, Housing's inclusion proposal is moot until we're sure it's even needed. #nycsc #ows
21:07 pm
Stairs asserts that we agreed to continue to question of adding Spokes immediately following empowerment consensus, and should go forth.
21:10 pm
Someone asserts we can't make that decision now anyway because there's a 24-hour review period on agenda items. [Not in Spokes. -Ed.] #nycsc
21:14 pm
Labor Outreach says again that we have a 24-hour rule; Stairs finally recognizes Press' POP to correct this misinfo. #nycsc #ows
21:16 pm
Labor Outreach suggests that we wait to discuss this until after the 20th, and Stairs suggests we move forward with it. Press POPs...
21:19 pm
POP from Press; "There were other ideas raised. We shouldn't just move forward on the most recent proposal." #nycsc #ows
21:19 pm
Nathan's concern: "So, b/w now and the 20th, all groups that show up would be members of the Spokescouncil?" #nycsc #ows
21:21 pm
Proposal restated: "We continue to function as we have; groups that come here function until the 20th, at which point the GA procedure..."
21:22 pm
Cont'd: "...kicks in, plus whatever other criteria we decide." #nycsc #ows
21:27 pm
FA from Press: "Let's just set the GA criteria up to kick in to determine who is a Spoke on the 20th, until/unless we set more criteria."
21:27 pm
Cont'd: "That way it won't be open-ended after the 20th, but we can set more criteria later." #nycsc #ows
21:28 pm
Restarting the proposal: "We don't discuss criteria until the 20th, when GA criteria kick in, and then we can set own criteria if we..."
21:29 pm
Cont'd: "...want to." OK, temp checking the spokes' views of this proposal! "That looks pretty good! Any standasides?" Housing, Accounting?
21:29 pm
Daryl asks for blocks. NO BLOCKS! "Then the proposal passes!" Yay, clarity. #nycsc #ows
21:30 pm
So, we have 30 minutes left, and are working to decide which proposals we'll hear next. Stairs suggests discussing exclusion last week...
21:31 pm
Cont'd: ..is the most time-sensitive prop. "Can I get a temperature check on discussion wht happened last week w/ exclusion of individuals?"
21:32 pm
Not an overwhelming response. Also, could discuss Thoren/Livestream and defining spokes. Nan: "I think we should talk about Friday." #nycsc
21:34 pm
Also, could talk about Oakland solidarity actions, but the Facilitation spoke reminds us that SC can't discuss movement items. #nycsc #ows
21:34 pm
Carrie clarifies, it was agreed on as an agenda item last meeting, so we can temp check it down, but already agreed to bring it up. #nycsc
21:35 pm
Nathan again asserts that we can discuss it, but not decide on anything as it's movement-related and only GA is empowered to discuss. #nycsc
21:36 pm
The other one is the discussion about Thorin and Livestream; it has something w/ the document that's been circulating disclaiming him...
21:37 pm
Thorin: "There are two issues; one is some amount of money folks say was stolen from Finance, that has nothing to do w/ media or me." #nycsc
21:38 pm
Thorin is just explaining what the agenda item is, b/c many are confused. "This is a separate issue [from the finance thing]." #nycsc #ows
21:39 pm
[To untangle that a bit: someone is here to propose disallowing working groups from "disavowing" people. I think this is basically a...]
21:40 pm
[...roundabout way to address Thorin's beef, which is w/ the Media WG disavowing association w/ him due to mostly-unspecified concerns.]
21:42 pm
After several lukewarm temp checks on agenda items, Stairs decides the most support was for discussing Friday's exclusion. #nycsc #ows
21:43 pm
Stairs: "We'll discuss this for 15 minutes and then leave 5 for closing," #nycsc #ows
21:43 pm
Nathan: "There was confusion last week abt how the list was created, what the Pastor's role was." Wants explanation of what happened. #nycsc
21:44 pm
Someone suggests that since Jason isn't a spoke tonight, he can't explain what happened w/ the list of ppl who couldn't attend Spokes...
21:45 pm
...which we thought was from the Pastor, but later were told was created by Jason. Nan was on this list. It was a whole thing. #nycsc #ows
21:45 pm
Ashley: "I want to make it clear that I disassociated myself 2 weeks ago from two ppl in this room," because was blocking things just...
21:46 pm
Cont'd: "...to block them." And someone else, "shouldn't be able to have a GA Working Group" since they're not the GA, we are. #nycsc
21:46 pm
Ashley: "I <3 this community and want to move forward, but we have a rule you can only speak once a week, and you can't break that just..."
21:47 pm
Cont'd: "...because you want to break that." Some claps. Ashley also threw in something about someone threatening someone physically...
21:47 pm
Cont'd: ...and she ain't cool w/ that. Jason: "Just to be clear, no one was banned from SC. People were banned from the space due to the.."
21:47 pm
Cont'd: "...conversations that were had w/ many ppl including the pastor of this church, who wanted to make sure ppl respect this space..."
21:48 pm
Cont'd: ...due to many people who meet here, multiple faith groups and now 100 occupiers who sleep here. "The Wednesday night display..."
21:48 pm
Cont'd: "...of one of the ppl on the list, and one person who appeared to me and to the Pastor to be accompanying them -- the anger..."
21:49 pm
Cont'd: "..the language was so bad -- vulgar, he said -- that they were asked not to be allowed into the building." Jason is listing a...
21:49 pm
...laundry list of places Nan appears and disrupts. "It made sense to me to think this person shouldn't be allowed in this space b/c.."
21:50 pm
Cont'd: "..of the concerns raised. It was up to me. It was up to us. It was up to Spokes to decide whether to go or whether to stay." #nycsc
21:50 pm
Other names on the list: "In the office, it became clear others were making this body dysfunctional. breaking process, innuendo, breaking.."
21:51 pm
Cont'd: "...spoke thing -- and for the sanctity of the space we were just moving into, we decided they could not enter." #nycsc #ows
21:51 pm
Jason closes by saying he stands by the process and the list that himself and "about 15 other ppl" made during this process. #nycsc #ows
21:51 pm
Robert: "It was decided... ppl were banned. Who decided and who did the banning?" #nycsc #ows
21:52 pm
Jason: "The conversation started w/ one person." Nan: "Who's that?" Jason: "You. And it turned to... should I name names?" "YES!" many say.
21:53 pm
Jason turns to another dude, whose name he doesn't know, and who immediately interrupts him. He's very confrontational... #nycsc #ows
21:54 pm
Daryl mic checks, and Robert restates his question to Jason. "Who decided there'd be banning? Who created the list?" #nycsc #ows
21:54 pm
Jason: "When it was started Weds, the list made itself, and came out of a room at the office." Won't name ppl not here, or who made list...
21:55 pm
Cont'd: "...because they can't..." Nan starts yelling. Jason says: "To take responsibility for my behavior, I'll say it was me, taking..."
21:55 pm
Cont'd: "...into account the concerns of the Pastor." And to avoid disrespecting other users of the space. "It was a hard decision... "
21:56 pm
Cont'd: "...but one that I felt I needed to make" for the good of the good, or something. Nan demands names. Jason takes fall. #nycsc #ows
21:56 pm
Safer Spaces: "There's about to be this huge controversy of having SC in the same place where ppl are staying," combines questions...
21:57 pm
Cont'd: ...of who's allowed to stay here, and who can attend meetings. "We need to make sure one subset doesn't control access to entire..."
21:57 pm
Cont'd: "..movement." Also on the 21st, we tabled a proposal to set community agreements and process to exclude, and notes that these...
21:58 pm
Cont'd: ...events pre-empted the process that we decided to start then. "If we need to exclude, it needs to be decided by this body."
21:58 pm
.@NegestiC notes that Pastor said he wanted us to make a safe space, but didn't mandate a list. Asks Jason if we needed the list for that.
21:59 pm
Jason: "You're right. I was in a position... but I'll say this: the Pastor of the church cares deeply about this movement. Watches..."
21:59 pm
Cont'd: "...livestream. Has a good understanding of consensus. Um...you're right. I didn't want to jeopardize this space.." for spokes...
22:00 pm
Cont'd: "...& for ppl sleeping here. But you're right. I made a decision that, tho I'm not sure I'd take it back, it was wrong. I admit it."
22:01 pm
Someone says he appreciates tht Jason apologized. Notes that we do have these individuals who disrupt, "need mediation" - Nan interrupts.
22:01 pm
"When we did lose Far Rockaway, it was really bad, b/c it was really nice, beach, ocean. One individual destroyed that, and it was..."
22:02 pm
Cont'd: "...merchandise was lost as well. Because one individual destroyed that, and things left there got moldy." #nycga #ows
22:02 pm
Speaks to Jason's concern for broader movement, "people need places to sleep," tho it was bad how it was done, no one else had acted. #nycsc
22:03 pm
Libor: "I've done it for same reasons, but as an individual. List sort of matched names in my internal list." Says Spokes are... #nycsc #ows
22:04 pm
Cont'd: ...equally at fault for standing by. Someone else: "It matters how we do things. We weren't told the truth; people asked very real..
22:05 pm
Cont'd: "...questions, and we were told the list came from the church. And we continued, but people were really uncomfortable doing it..."
22:05 pm
Cont'd: "...and the discussion revolved around that. To Nan, as an individual, I'm sorry." Kelvin also apologizes. #nycsc #ows
22:05 pm
Kelvin: "If we're going to be brave enough to stand up to the cops, we need to be brave enough to stand up to each other sometimes."
22:06 pm
"We need to be able to look at our peers and say, I'm sorry, but you're not helping; you're doing more harm than good." #nycsc #ows
22:07 pm
Nan is on stack. "Jason, I will never forgive you for what you did, and I honestly hope you burn in hell. Pastor, same to you." #nycsc
22:07 pm
Nan: "Now that I've gotten that out of the way: who the fuck -- it doesn't matter. We are a movement. When we say we are the 99%, we make.."
22:08 pm
Cont'd: "...decisions as the 99%. 15 people do not have that power." Nan wants names so she can 'em to mediation. Folks are raising hands.
22:09 pm
Folks started to drown Nan out with "I'm one of them," way more than 15. Stairs interrupts, says that's messed up, let's Nan continue.
22:09 pm
Nan: "That's exactly what Congress and the Pres are doing; they're excluding us. I think every one of us on that list is owed an apology."
22:10 pm
Next, Jason: "Jason, standing up and apologizing, props -- that's a really hard thing to do. I think that's dope, and we should all take..."
22:10 pm
Cont'd: "..a hint from that." RE: people making folks feel unsafe, "We need a proposal to figure out how to deal w/ that. If someone is..."
22:11 pm
Cont'd: "...sitting behind me, as they were 10 minutes ago, saying, 'I'm going to rip her head off,'", tht person shouldn't be here!" #nycsc
22:12 pm
Cont'd: "...because I don't feel safe around that person." We must have a process and stick to it to deal w/ these ppl. #nycsc #ows
22:13 pm
Robert asks for the names on the list. Trish, Sage, Ashley, Nan, Michael. "Libor is right; even if we didn't approve of how the bans..."
22:13 pm
Cont'd: "...happened, we were culpable." Suggests we owe them a statement of culpability. "We prohibited you from being heard in a meeting."
22:14 pm
Cont'd: "I believe we owe them a statement of regret," and a pledge that we won't let this same wrong happen again. #nycsc #ows
22:15 pm
Jason: "I just want to acknowledge how important it is that we had this discussion for the healing of this group, and how important..."
22:15 pm
Cont'd: "..it is that we come up w/ a compassionate way to deal w/ disrupters." Thinks we can deal w/ this once and for all w/ love. #nycsc
22:16 pm
Ashley feels someone threatening violence is an "excuse to ask that person to leave." But "what happened Friday, where a clique made.."
22:16 pm
Cont'd: "...decisions w/o getting consensus, not enrolling caucuses before voting on -- I've never physically threatened anyone; for..."
22:17 pm
Cont'd: "...Jason to put me on that list had to do w/ personal conflicts w/ him, and was a way to marginalize me." #nycsc #ows
22:17 pm
Cont'd: "We are a democracy and we need to step up or step back." "We need accountability and transparency." The messenger vs the message.
22:18 pm
Ashley: "We need to practice what we preach and not be hypocrites." #nycsc #ows
22:18 pm
Someone: "I think a problem we have is we don't understand each other. I keep saying this," but we have different experiences. "We need..."
22:19 pm
Cont'd: "...to have a meeting like this where we sit down, go person to person, and learn about each other. That way, when someone curses.."
22:20 pm
Cont'd: "..in church, we might" have a wider perspective, not jump on ppl. "B/c I think some people's problems get jumped on & some don't."
22:20 pm
Jason: "I apologize to the body; if I didn't say it before, I apologize to this body; I absolutely respect #OWS, as crazy as it is..."
22:21 pm
Cont'd: "...sometimes. But I won't apologize to people who won't be accountable for their own behavior. I can't, and I won't." #nycsc #ows
22:21 pm
Jason: "I was involved in making a decision w/ weight I've never held before." Took idea of exclusion seriously. "But we weren't able..."
22:22 pm
Cont'd: "...to make a decision I needed to make, and it could have cost a large amount to a huge # of people." Doesn't like how these..
22:22 pm
Cont'd: ...conversation tends to get flipped around back onto "victims". "They drop unfounded accusations, race bombs in middle of the..."
22:23 pm
Cont'd: "...middle of the room and watch them explode, and don't always have command of issues they're wielding." Prays that we figure..
22:23 pm
Cont'd: ..out how to draw some lines here. Dwayne: "I was going to come up and talk about myself, but I respect everyone's time, and won't."
22:24 pm
Dwayne: "I feel, as much as Jason should apologize to the group, you (Nan) should apologize to me, for wasting my time." Rushes to SC...
22:24 pm
Cont'd: ...after work evry day. "If you're asking Jason for an apology, you should give me an apology for wasting my time for 3 months now."
22:25 pm
Tessa: "Nan, I'm speaking to you, WADR for you as a human being and your dedication to the movement -- I mean, anyone who's here, at..."
22:25 pm
Cont'd: "...any of these meetings, I implicitly have respect for. I know that you're here for this. and the way things went down on Friday..
22:26 pm
Cont'd: "..was wrong, and we know that. But I have never once heard an apology from you. And even the incident w/ the Aryan Nation sign..."
22:26 pm
Cont'd: "...we were in the middle of a discussion about exclusion, and this guy put this sign up, in jest, however not funny that was..."
22:27 pm
Cont'd: "...and it got noticed, and this guy quietly got up and left. And... we're you. You have to start trusting us a little bit." #nycsc
22:27 pm
Nan interrupts. Tessa: "Then you're not -- you're just speaking for yourself. And the idea of the room is it's supposed to be consensus."
22:27 pm
Cont'd: "And you don't want there to be tyranny of the majority. But at a certain point -- it's been well-established what those behaviors..
22:28 pm
Cont'd: "..are that are unacceptable. Don't curse, i.e. Don't interrupt. Don't tell people to burn in hell. Just start with that..." #nycsc
22:29 pm
Nan interrupts. "That's my personal opinion -- " Tessa offers to wrap up, while folks make space for her to finish. "You clearly want to..."
22:29 pm
Cont'd: "...be in this. So just try! Try for one day! I've seen Sage do it! Pull back the behavior that's problematic. Try to work -- try.."
22:29 pm
Cont'd: "..just try! Try! And I haven't seen you try at all." Nan is either on the phone or pretending to be on the phone. #nycsc #ows
22:30 pm
Stairs offers Nan a chance to speak. "I will never trust some individuals in this group w/ my life. I'll put it that way. For me, trust.."
22:30 pm
Cont'd: "...is earned. Because I have learned that people's hearts can change in a second for their own egocentric self." #nycsc
22:31 pm
"Some people have gone out of their way to earn my trust. And those ppl, I embrace. I'm sick and tired of you guys making rules and..."
22:31 pm
Cont'd: "...regulations w/o getting to know people and their personalities." She sits w/ occupiers, builds trust w/ them. #nycsc #ows
22:32 pm
Cont'd: "I'm not that type of person that just lays out their life like a lamb. I'm a fighter." RE: individuals, "I'll be blunt: I don't..."
22:32 pm
Cont'd: "...care about you. I don't. Because I care about the movement." Folks: "But we *are* all the movement." #nycsc #ows
22:33 pm
Now Nan's accusing us of doing "ill to so many ppl. It's sickening!" "Until you guys change yr behavior, why should I change mine?" #nycsc
22:34 pm
People were a lot more moved by @TesselizaTC's speech than Nan's, I think it's fair to say. #nycsc #ows
22:36 pm
OK, moving onto announcements. "We need more cameras out there," Al reminds us. "It's not fair", camerappl targeted for arrests. #nycsc #ows
22:43 pm
I guess just that one announcement! WHAT A SPOKES tonight! Wow. Recap: we empowered Spokes, clarified membership, and addressed Nan.. #nycsc
22:45 pm
...directly, while still doing it together. Big steps. Thanks for following along folks! Qs, concerns, hit me up @DiceyTroop for post-show!