00:33 am
Love you all, always. Occupy everything, all of the time. Don't let them make you forget. #ows
00:41 am
RT @spacetimeltd: Will never forget @LibertySqGA Love you all, always. Occupy everything, all of the time. Don't let them make you forge ...
16:01 pm
RT @heratylaw: Hey! Only TWELVE items on the #GA agenda tonight. http://t.co/HIikLEoi #nycga #OWS
16:42 pm
RT @PoweredByCats: The #nycga contingency plan for inclimate weather & Liberty Park closing will be 100 Williams Street for time being. ...
16:43 pm
RT @PoweredByCats: The #nycga contingency plan for inclimate weather & Liberty Park closing will be 100 Williams Street for time being. ...
19:18 pm
The GA was to be @ 100 William St. in a covered POPS required to be open til 12am, bt bldg owners called NYPD; we were threatened w/ arrest.
19:19 pm
We've moved across the street to another Privately Owned Public Space at 59 Maiden. It's a large pavilion across from the Fed. #nycga #ows
19:24 pm
OK! Here we go; another @LibertySqGA. Follow here and at @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4. #nycga #ows
19:25 pm
Because last night's GA was abbreviated on account of New Years' Eve funtimes, there are 12 proposals tonight. #nycga #ows
19:25 pm
Tonight's first proposal is from @OccupyChicago! "I'm Sugar, and I hail from the Windy City! We've formed a national working group..."#nycga
19:25 pm
Cont'd: "...and have created an Occupy State of the Union Address!" #nycga #ows
19:26 pm
"We've developed a speech, and the concept is to take advantage of a once-a-year opportunity!" Want as many cities to join as possible...
19:26 pm
Cont'd: ...and record parts of the speech, and then send it out immediately following the Republican rebuttal to the SOTU. #nycga #ows
19:27 pm
They want to keep it out of the media's hands, so requesting that the speech being recorded not be taped and put online if possible. #nycga
19:27 pm
"The speech concept in theme is 'occupy is a state of mind'." Deals with economy, where folks can engage. Designed to speak... #nycga
19:28 pm
Cont'd: ...to where general public is at. She'll read the speech; let me find y'all a link. #nycga #ows
19:30 pm
Here's the proposal for an "Occupied State of the Union" address: http://t.co/oveBF8kS #nycga #ows
19:32 pm
Brett, one of tonight's Stairs' (facilitators who help run the consensus process) is stepping back a bit to go over our process. #nycga #ows
19:32 pm
Here's a guide to our handsignals: http://t.co/VHmHwQl9 #nycga #ows
19:34 pm
Tonight: State of the Union, Occupy NH Primary, Housing, Ending Corp. Personhood, Block-checking, Occupy Newark, and maybe more. #nycga #ows
19:35 pm
CQ on SOTU proposal: "No livestreaming/livetweeting?" A: We'd prefer that. Temp check? Looks OK. So, i won't tweet the text. #nycga #ows
19:48 pm
RT @CarrieM213: @OWS_Live @LibertySqGA is here but we consensed to not tweet sensitive info from Occupy Chicago. Will resume soon.
19:51 pm
OK, they're done reading the speech. Stairs: "Be4 we move to clarifying questions, let's temp check whether we want to go thru this prop."
19:52 pm
CQ: "Will we have a chance to edit it?" A: "It's been put together by a national working group. Working on it with many occupies..."
19:52 pm
A cont'd: "...would take too long, so we're asking that it be as is." #nycga #ows
19:52 pm
CQ: "I like the idea, but it overemphasizes voting." A: "It's written for folks where they're at." #nycga #ows
19:53 pm
CQ: "Are you asking for any financial help?" A: "None needed. No." CQ: "What national GA is your working group a part of?" A: "I don't...
19:54 pm
Cont'd: "...think one exists." But they say they've workshopped it in their local occupies. Next CQ says it sounded like... #nycga #ows
19:55 pm
Cont'd: ...a list of demands. CQ: "What other occupies?" A: "SF, Chicago, OtH, Omaha, somewhere in Iowa, Albany, and took notes here..."
19:55 pm
That CQ goes to his concerns, including that it sounds like demands and talks about voting. Proposer asks if there's a rewording...
19:56 pm
Cont'd: ...that would satisfy him, but he notes that there is no opportunity to edit. Sage says he wouldn't want to send ppl.. #nycga #ows
19:57 pm
Cont'd: ...into the "unfair" political arena. Not comfortable w/ that. Proposer asks him how else he thinks the rest of the proposal...
20:02 pm
Due to rain, we've moved the GA again. Next CQ: What structure exists that gives you authority to do this w/ or w/o our consent? #nycga #ows
20:03 pm
CQ: "Will you do this regardless of our consent?" A: "Yes, just like a working group." [POI: Working groups are empowered by GAs. -Ed.]
20:03 pm
CQ: "How many occupies have endorsed this?" A: "You're actually the first." CQ: "You said you talked to #OWS? Who are they and how..."
20:04 pm
Cont'd: "...did they represent #OWS?" Notes the distinction between individuals and #OWS as a whole. #nycga #ows
20:05 pm
She says she showed it to people on the ground, i.e. in the office. Someone says, "that's not 'the ground'." #nycga #ows
20:06 pm
Someone says they're from Democratic Socialists and are a revolutionary, not a reformer, but supports this. #nycga #ows
20:07 pm
Ann's CQ: "I don't believe anyone here disagrees w/ general content; people have their own approaches, but asking ppl to vote isn't..."
20:07 pm
Cont'd: "...a demand." Thinks we're reading too much into the language. Next on stack is Nan, but we need to temp check continuing. #nycga
20:08 pm
Stairs: "I don't feel comfortable taking up another 5 minutes of peoples' time with this based on that temperature check." #nycga #ows
20:11 pm
Someone presses Brett as to whether or not we should consense. Brett explains we need to complete consensus process to do that. #nycga #ows
20:12 pm
We're re-tempchecking after it was clarified that we were tabling proposal... still "more negative than positive." #nycga #ows
20:13 pm
Proposer again expresses that "if everything is re-written and re-written and re-submitted to occupys, it won't get done." #nycga #ows
20:14 pm
OK, proposal tabled. Next is Jeff from Housing w/ the Housing proposal. "Housing would like to continue process of procuring weekly metro.."
20:14 pm
Cont'd: "..cards for people who are actively doing and operating and participating in the movement every day." #nycga #ows
20:15 pm
Housing wants to buy 130 cards, which is a reduction of 10 cards from last week and $580 cheaper than last week. #nycga #ows
20:15 pm
"Each person who needs to buy a metrocard needs a signed authorization from a point person in a wrkng grp." 6-9, wherever GA or Spokes is.
20:16 pm
People need to verify that they still have last week's card in order to get a new card. Documented on Housing group section of nycga.net.
20:17 pm
So, the total is $2900 plus 30 cards leftover from last week. Stairs opening stack for CQs. #nycga #ows
20:17 pm
CQ: "Nobody gave me a metrocard to come here tonight. Why do some people get metrocards?" #nycga #ows
20:18 pm
A: "We as a movement facilitate metrocards for people doing operational work for the occupation." #nycga #ows
20:18 pm
Lorenzo notes that his metrocard is the only way he can get to every physical event to livestream. #nycga #ows
20:18 pm
Nathan's CQ: "Is there a criteria for which a working group rep should or should not sign the authorization form?" #nycga #ows
20:19 pm
A: "Previously it was up to housing WG, but it meant either we weren't enforcing accountability or that ppl were denied access due to..."
20:19 pm
A cont'd: "...our lack of knowledge of that person." So, it's up to each WG to decide who needs metrocards and to inform Housing via form. #
20:20 pm
Lauren's CQ: "When did Housing start trying to tackle everyone's Metrocard needs?" Started from trying to get homeless occupiers to churches
20:21 pm
Cont'd; "There are a lot more than 100 people contributing to the movement." Wants to know why Housing is asking WGs to exclude. #nycga #ows
20:21 pm
Oh joy, the owners at 59 Maiden have asked us to leave also. So now we're trying to figure out where to go next. #nycga #ows
20:30 pm
Right now, we're trying to decide whether we feel comfortable continuing the GA given that we have moved so many times. #OWS
20:31 pm
Sage wants to know if, when we've decided the public in the US has no right to assemble, we can tell Americans so they'll know that. #OWS
20:33 pm
We straw-polled whether we felt comfortable and it came up 25 for, 10 against. So we're gonna go somewhere we've been told we can be...
20:35 pm
...and then we're gonna continue w/ reportbacks and announcements. We may not hear any more proposals. #nycga #OWS
20:37 pm
@thejorobin we're at 33 maiden lane, nassau side
20:38 pm
The discussion on whether to continue here given that "the public has no clue where we are right now" is continuing. Some folks...
20:39 pm
..very concerned about access. Jeff says we've made all possible effort to be accessible and shouldn't succumb to NYPD interference. #ows
20:40 pm
Someone says, after 4 moves, "this is no longer a public meeting." Someone else has bn here since August: "having GAs has never been easy."
20:41 pm
Stairs, after that bit of installed discussion, is asking ppl to sit for a new straw poll. We're sitting. Are we comfortable continuing?
20:46 pm
Ok, new count on continuing was 38 to 17. Brett says b/c it's not overwhelming, we should continue for only discussion/reports/soapbox. #OWS
20:48 pm
Someone else notes that making the decision not to continue does constitute acting as a GA and we should embrace that. #OWS #nycga
20:51 pm
I suggest that we honor concerns abt access, hv a discussion about what we should do under these newly difficult circumstances. #OWS #NYCGA
20:52 pm
..in order to make sure in future we're all confident tht our meetings are accessible & compliant w/ principles of solidarity. #nycga #OWS
20:55 pm
So, we're stacking concerns. Someone notes that we need to be able to adapt quickly as the powers tht be try to prevent our assembly. #nycga
20:55 pm
Someone says he has experience w/ GAs having to move. He says if people weren't here or at LP at 7, we can't be super concerned about them.
20:56 pm
He says it points at our need to reoccupy, but also our need to "get serious". We can "have a point to meet every night at a certain time.."
20:56 pm
Cont'd: ...and decide together. "And if you're not there on time and you don't know what's going on," forget you. #nycga #ows
20:57 pm
Nan really doesn't think this would be a fair GA, even tho she had 3 proposals up tonight. "I do not feel I want to bring proposals here..."
20:57 pm
Cont'd: "..when we kept moving like this." Supports the soapbox type of GA for tonight. #nycga #ows
20:58 pm
Sam: "Every day b/w 1-6pm, think tank meets. We have discussions just like this. We can have a convo there about how to deal w/ this..."
20:58 pm
Cont'd: "...rather than here. Right now, we're just talking- if you want to talk, come to Think Tank which happens every single GA." #nycga
20:59 pm
Someone else understands, thinks we need to solve this problem, notes that this seriously endangers their Occupy the NH Primaries proposal.
20:59 pm
Tyler: "First of all, if you're here, I've been listening to you, and if you're speaking right now when it's my turn, i feel very..." #nycga
21:00 pm
Cont'd: "..disrespected. Please listen to whoever's speaking. I wasn't at Zuccotti at 7 and I take responsibility for that." #nycga #ows
21:00 pm
Someone else notes that this interferes with their #J17 proposal. "We need to have a presence here. We need to represent the movement.."
21:00 pm
Cont'd: "...and to take part in something that could make this movement national." #nycga #ows
21:01 pm
Next: "This is going to be one of the most- there will be more #occupys present than any other event so far." #nycga #ows
21:02 pm
Lorenzo reminds us that we've consensed on calling Zuccotti "Liberty Square" and it hurts him a tiny bit each time someone calls it ZP.
21:02 pm
Also, he says we should talk seriously about not having GAs right after actions, rather should have reportbacks, talk about them...
21:03 pm
..."and then have a general assembly the next day when our friends are out [of jail]." #nycga #ows
21:04 pm
Yoni: "Every time we get kicked out, we're letting the authorities win. Yest, I got pepper sprayed, I wasn't comfortable but still stayed."
21:04 pm
"Are the ppl who aren't here really dedicated to coming to GAs?" #nycga #ows
21:04 pm
Stephen: "RE: this being a public GA, the fact that it's been moved 4 times is my concern. ComHub sent out a notice at 9pm that we're here."
21:05 pm
Stephen got info via word of mouth about where GA was. "We have a broken process [of info distribution] that we need to fix." #nycga #ows
21:05 pm
Sage: "I don't know the question that everyone is answering, I just know what I've heard from last 4 or 5 ppl. If we're a movement..."
21:06 pm
Cont'd: "...of people so in disagreement that 30 ppl isn't enough for a GA, maybe we shouldn't be deciding on money at all." #nycga #ows
21:06 pm
"I understand that we all have opinions and such, but if our values are that different," not sure consensus process will work. #nycga #ows
21:07 pm
Also, Sage really wants "to just hear if ppl have reportbacks from yesterday, that'd be great." Suggests any decisions above "a g" we...
21:07 pm
Cont'd: ..should just agree not to do, so that we can move on, "and have an actual community and get to know each other as individuals."
21:08 pm
Brett notes we have 4 ppl left on stack. Wants to finish stack, close it, and then do reportbacks on last night. "There were a lot..."
21:08 pm
Cont'd: "...of diff. actions, there were arrests, I think it would be valuable to get it in the open." Also, WG reportbacks/announcements.
21:08 pm
Also, he suggests we let proposers present proposals and make themselves available for discussion. #nycga #ows
21:09 pm
Someone suggests we hear proposals w/ scaled down costs that are time-sensitive. #nycga #ows
21:15 pm
.@diceytroop pointed out that we need to focus on accountable structures before trying to force our personal goals forward. "That goes for..
21:15 pm
Cont'd: "..not just this situation of people feeling like access to this meeting is too limited, but also to proposals that try to speak..."
21:16 pm
Cont'd: "...on #occupy's behalf directed at Federal structures that affect all #occupations." If there's no directly democratic... #nycga
21:17 pm
Cont'd: "..structure for ppl to do something, it just shouldn't be done. Let's focus on building those structures and refining them." #nycga
21:20 pm
Stairs suggests we give each proposer 5 minutes to explain their proposal so they can get feedback "outside the assembly space." #nycga #ows
21:21 pm
Tempchecking that idea. "That looks very positive." Asking for concerns. #nycga #ows
21:22 pm
CQ: "The metrocard thing -- was that to start this upcoming Tuesday?" Jeff says it's time-sensitive; w/o proposal being heard... #nycga #ows
21:22 pm
Cont'd: ...tonight, the proposal can't go forward. So the questioner points out both budget proposals are very, very time-sensitive. #nycga
21:24 pm
Next: "We need to continue. If we're not going to vote on anything, I don't want to be here. If we're going to hear proposals, let's do it."
21:24 pm
Jeff wants to make a statement "about what's been happening for several weeks." "We are trying to build a better world, not a perfect world"
21:25 pm
"Anything we do, there's going to be certain gaps, fallthroughs, and we should continue... there needs to be a balance... we need to..."
21:25 pm
Cont'd: "...keep moving even if everything's not perfect." #nycga #ows
21:27 pm
Brett clarifies that we've already failed to consent to moving forward as a GA, & are now trying to decide how to use our time. #nycga #ows
21:27 pm
[Re: "Consent" versus "consense" - "consense" is a word. I completely don't think it's wrong to use it in this context. "Consent" implies..]
21:28 pm
[..an individual lvl of permission. 'Consense' is to me more appropriate whn indicating a collective consent derived frm consensus process.]
21:29 pm
[I know many good people disagree. I'm open to being convinced, but no one has so far. Also, CT Butler is just one dude. We're legion. -Ed.]
21:30 pm
Brett temp checks using this time to hear proposals for informational purposes, and gets overwhelming consent. Opening stack. #nycga #ows
21:32 pm
Nan's 1st on stack. She feels uncomfortable trying to re-temp check operating as a GA after many have left. She'll now explain her proposal.
21:32 pm
@mikecane wikitionary (:
21:33 pm
Nevermind, we're hearing from the Politics and Electoral Reform working group subgroup on Corporate Personhood. #nycga #ows
21:33 pm
"We wanted to propose this tonight, but we also need feedback. It's a proposal to call for an end to corporate personhood." #nycga #ows
21:34 pm
She notes that Citizens United gave corporations same right to political speech via money as individual citizens have. #nycga
21:34 pm
"There's a movement to act locally to pressure Congress or the Court to reverse that decision." LA CC passed such a resolution. #nycga #ows
21:35 pm
"This is a way for #occupy to take a stand and to have a voice against corporate dominion." It would be great, she said, if NY passed it.
21:35 pm
She notes that the NYC City Council is also discussing such a resolution on Thursday; this statement endorses that resolution. #nycga #ows
21:36 pm
They're going to have #OccupyTheCourts Jan 20 and 21st as actions against Citizens United. That's the 1 year anniversary? #nycga #ows
21:36 pm
@mikecane consensus process is new and will need new concepts in language to accurately describe it.
21:37 pm
Someone else: "This is not the CC resolution, it's a resolution #OWS could make to clarify it's POV that is a little different..."
21:39 pm
CQ: "How can we express that we feel corporate personhood is abysmal w/o violation our lack of consensus on demanding reforms?" #nycga
21:40 pm
Cont'd: "...I very much like the idea of us making a statement that corporations don't have human rights to speech, but worry about..."
21:40 pm
Cont'd: "...sending the wrong signal about our approach to solutions." #nycga #ows
21:41 pm
OK, next we'll hear from the #J17 #OccupyCongress folks. "We'll go through a review of the day, and if you want to come, you should." #nycga
21:41 pm
"In the morning, we're setting up meetings w/ congresspeople. In the afternoon, we'll talk about GA, and what Occupy 2.0 looks like."
21:42 pm
Later, they'll have an #interoccupational #spokescouncil and GA. #nycga #ows
21:43 pm
"We're not asking for an endorsement; we're asking for participation. So no matter how you feel politically, including being against..."
21:43 pm
Cont'd: "...our representative system, which is cool- I think robs us of our autonomy and is a game we will lose..."
21:44 pm
Cont'd: "...for #OWS to be relevant we need to have a presence there and people should go." #nycga #ows
21:44 pm
CQ: "Where'd this come from?" A: It was an autonomous group, but it's "becoming a national action." #nycga #ows
21:46 pm
To get in touch with the proposers, contact benjaminczucker@gmail.com or owsdaniel@gmail.com. #ows #nycga
21:47 pm
Next, Stewart frm Pol. Organizing is organizing support for Occupy the NH Primaries. "We won't endorse a party or candidate." #nycga #ows
21:48 pm
Stewart feels this is a "great way to challenge the political system without participating in it." Want $ for trip, will bring to GA Tues.
21:50 pm
OK, next, #OccupyNewark is going to make a proposal Tuesday to get $3,000 of funds. #nycga #ows
21:51 pm
CQ: "What's the vibe right now?" A: "We have rsn to believe the city council's going to let us stay... unless we do something (inaudible).."
21:53 pm
Nan's reviewing her proposals. First one is the audit of finance. "I think it's very important that we audit finance to find out what's..."
21:53 pm
Cont'd: "..going on, and nothing personal but I don't trust the Finance team." She doesn't want the IRS going up against #OWS. #nycga #ows
21:54 pm
Nan's second proposal was to dispose of #spokescouncil "because we feel like #sc is excluding people and forcing them to join working grps."
21:54 pm
Nan says that individuals took it upon themselves to police her at the last spokescouncil and she had to call the police. #nycga #ows
21:54 pm
Third proposal from Nan is facilitation accountability. "Some of the people in facilitation I like, and some I don't."b #nycga #ows
21:55 pm
Someone pts out that an audit of Accounting is really an audit of #OWS since they're just volunteers. Says should include WGs. #nycga #ows
21:56 pm
Nan say that since Accounting keeps all WGs books, it's accounting we need to audit. "We want to make sure we are transparent to the world..
21:56 pm
Cont'd: "..so those who have given to us know what's going on, and feel comfortable, and the world trusts us." #nycga #ows
21:57 pm
Contact Nan at strongwomenrulesworkinggroup@gmail.com if you have questions or want to get in touch. #nycga #ows
21:57 pm
That was the last proposal present to explain their proposal. There are still ~20 people here so we're stacking announcements/reports.
21:58 pm
Next: "We hv the same roadblocks day after day. Some if it is really miniscule, but translates to being huge. In order for us to continue.."
21:58 pm
Cont'd: "...we need to address the functionality." Feels this process is broken- instead of focusing on proposals, should focus on process..
21:59 pm
Cont'd: ..and once we get buy-in, it'll be easier. Points to tonight's disagreement about the GA's legitimacy. #nycga #ows
21:59 pm
"Maybe I should work on a proposal to talk about a process." Yoni notes Structure meets at 5:30 on Fridays at 60 Wall. #nycga #ows
22:00 pm
Lorenzo w/ a LiveStream reportback from last night. "We were able to cover Liberty Park really well, plus the noise demo and late march."
22:00 pm
"One of our members was arrested, and streamed from the back of the paddy wagon." Notes that media collective is working on how to mv fwd..
22:01 pm
Cont'd: ...and figure out how to raise money on their own while staying accountable to the GA. Not sure how that works, want to...
22:01 pm
Cont'd: ...talk about "different organizational models." #nycga #ows
22:01 pm
Yoni: "Yesterday, I was at noise demo and also Liberty Square, first GA, and then NYE. First part went really well, had about 5 arrests."
22:02 pm
Cont'd: "Later, the police were really trying to intimidate everyone, pepper-spraying -- I got peppersprayed, and they were attacking NLG.."
22:02 pm
Cont'd: "...members. I was expecting a fun event of #Occupy2012, but it was more like #Occupy1984." #nycga #ows
22:02 pm
Yoni wants legal action to hold NYPD accountable. Also, Brookfield for keeping park closed. #nycga #ows
22:03 pm
Alejandro: "I witnessed Yoni, w/ eyes burning, call out the cops yesterday and chastised them for being so forceful and abusive." #nycga#ows
22:04 pm
Cont'd: "Finally, exasperated, the cop said "do you think everything they're doing is right?" & Yoni sd "Yes!" and she huffed, walked off."
22:04 pm
Next, someone talks about watching someone be arrested without doing anything. Also, "I saw this one girl - a cop had his knee in the back..
22:05 pm
Cont'd: "..of her neck while they were all on top of her arresting her." He got elbowed in the face by a riot cop. #nycga #ows
22:05 pm
"My heart is in this movement so much." Looks to Oakland as an example for getting things done. "While some are worrying about..."
22:06 pm
Cont'd: "...money and transparency, while others are out marching." "People are up in the office, watching us on livestream." #nycga #ows
22:07 pm
"Why can't we just get a centralization?" Other ppl are getting arrested in places we don't even know about. #nycga #ows
22:13 pm
Next: "We should just assume we're generally on the same page. Proposals that don't pass maybe shouldn't be at the GA. When you come..."
22:14 pm
Cont'd: "..to GA, think about how you can help somebody else make their great idea happen." #nycga #ows
22:15 pm
Next: "When we get back to the studio, we'll have a live Q&A. livestream.com/owsnyc". Just letting us know. #nycga #ows
22:18 pm
Someone else, re: money: "Finding ways to spend the money is the solution to the problem of having the money." Feels if we use it to solve..
22:18 pm
..problems, it will come pouring in. Someone else points out we started strong w/ absolutely no money, just "sleeping bags on the ground."
22:20 pm
OK, we've reached the end of stack so we're calling "an official end to this unofficial gathering of people." Mentions Structure WG meets...
22:22 pm
...Friday at 5:30 PM at 60 Wall, and Facilitation meets there at 4pm Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. "Even tho we didn't spend $ or declare..."
22:23 pm
Cont'd: "...solidarity w/ anything, great things happened tonight." Ok! Thanks fam! Pls spread word abt our displacement tonite. #OWS #NYCGA
22:30 pm
Kudos to @PoweredByCats for excellently facilitating tonite despite all the chaos! We were able to come back frm 3+ disruptions. Great jorb!