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19:11 pm
And tonight's NYE #OWS General Assembly is starting now! Follow here, @LibertySqGA2, @LibertySqGA3 and @LibertySqGA4 for livetweets! #nycga
19:11 pm
Right now one of the facilitators, Nathan, is explaining the handsignals we use, and our consensus process. http://t.co/VHmHwQl9 #nycga #ows
19:12 pm
Stairs: "A block is very serious. It doesn't mean I disagree, it means I have a moral, ethical, or safety concern w/ the proposal." #nycga
19:13 pm
Cont'd: "If we don't have blocks, we'll move fwd to consensus. If we do, we'll move to modified consensus," which requires 9/10ths consent.
19:13 pm
First, we'll have announcements - 4 on stack right now. First, re: the NH primary. #nycga #ows
19:14 pm
Billy: "A proposal at tomorrow's GA will be about January 5th thru 10th; occupying/disrupting the NH primaries. So, be a part of that..."
19:14 pm
Cont'd: "...decision at the GA tmrw. We need to have a strong presence in this election year in this farce of a democracy owned by WallSt."
19:15 pm
Cont'd: "Iowa's already doing a good job! We need to be strong on the east coast as well." Next, Zoe from OccupyDurham! #nycga #ows
19:15 pm
Zoe: "We recently hosted @Walkupy! They're walking from DC to Atlanta. In Greensboro, they put out a call to action for Spring 2012." #nycga
19:15 pm
Zoe cont;'d: "Check it out on their website at walkupy.org, b/c it's a great action. It's to have a walk in each state to the state house.."
19:16 pm
Cont'd: "...and let them know what we're all about!" #nycga #ows
19:16 pm
Next, Justin. "I'm from Information! Starting on January 2nd, we'll be back in the park. But we'll need the support of every working group."
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Cont'd: "If you are a member of a working group, you should probably see me so I can teach you how we're gonna do things in #Occupy2012."
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Cont'd: "So, hope to see you Monday thru Friday at Noon to 6, b/c Information's back!" #nycga #ows
19:17 pm
Nan: "Hi! How are you doing tonight? My group just wanted to wish you guys a happy holiday and safe new year- party hard guys!" #nycga #ows
19:18 pm
Next! "Good evening, and happy new year! I'm an inventor blessed to come here & help you guys. I'm donating $300billion of patents." [:P :D]
19:18 pm
Cont'd: "The poorest people in America are going to control the richest companies in the world. We're going to actually live it, and it..."
19:19 pm
Cont'd: "...has to happen!" ... The people's mic has exercised its rarely-used ability to just stop. Took about 2 sentences. #nycga #ows
19:20 pm
Yoni is explaining progressive stack. "If you're a traditionally marginalized voice, we try to make room for you to have a stronger voice."
19:20 pm
Also, step up step back. "It means if you've traditionally be heard, step up and step back, and let others speak. Chances are they'll..."
19:21 pm
Cont'd: "...bring up the same concerns that you have!" Nathan notes that each proposal tonight gets 20 minutes to try to keep moving thru.
19:22 pm
Some official-looking police guy has drawn a crowd towards the middle of the park, and GA is paused for a second. #nycga #ows
19:23 pm
Apparently a tiny tent was set up for small children to be in by their parents, and the police are trying to remove them. #nycga #ows
19:49 pm
OK, a tiny tent w/ 2 kids, that became the center of a human wall a few minutes ago, has been moved to right in front of the stairs. #nycga
19:50 pm
The human wall has been reformed around the tent. Since the police have banned new entry to the Park, we've moved close to the barricades.
19:51 pm
OK, we're going to proposals. First proposal is from Jonathan Friedman. "My proposal is to register a new working group: Anti-War WG."#nycga
19:51 pm
"We've been meeting since October, but every time we fill in the form, the process changes. So, finally, here we are." #nycga #ows
19:51 pm
Cont'd: "I'm just going to read the statement on the form. "While we struggle to keep our homes, farms, hospitals, schools, and libraries.."
19:52 pm
Cont'd: "...our money is being laundered for wars. These wars are waged by corporate and government forces for profit, causing untold..."
19:52 pm
Cont'd: "...death and destruction to life and earth. Our group works to abolish these destructive forces through non-violent direct action..
19:52 pm
Cont'd: "...and education, and stands in solidarity w/ those facing war and oppression." Now opening stack for clarifying questions. #nycga
19:54 pm
First CQ, Nan: "Hi guys. My clarifying question is, can you summarize just briefly, explain what exactly you're trying to do? I'm confused."
19:54 pm
A: "The proposal is to register an anti-war working group. That's it." Stairs: "Under the new proposal system, a working group that wants.."
19:55 pm
Cont'd: "...to be created needs the approval of the GA." CQ: "Will you be covering, in your anti-war protest, the NDAA? If so, how?" #nycga
19:55 pm
A: "That falls under the scope of our group. We haven't talked about it yet in detail, but you can come to our next meeting and suggest.."
19:56 pm
Cont'd: "..a plan of action." Jack's CQ: "In order to hv peace on our spaceship Earth...it's suggested tht we should fight for a third UN."
19:57 pm
Stairs: "That was a great announcement, but not a clarifying question." Now opening stack for Concerns. #nycga #ows
19:58 pm
RT @jopauca: NYPD is not letting people into the GA #ows # nycga http://t.co/huSIvLkk
19:58 pm
RT @jopauca: NYPD is not allowing ppl in bc a tent has been set up and holds a mom & her 2 children (info from @justinstoned) #nycga #ows
19:58 pm
Concern: "How can we raise money for this?" Lots of points of process. He'd like to start a foundation to fund the anti-war effort, he says.
19:59 pm
Next Concern: "Sometimes I'm not involved a lot in meetings, b/c there's a meeting after another meeting after another meeting." #nycga
19:59 pm
Cont'd: "I'd rather organize, and make something happen. Tonight, friends of ours, Native American people, are having a ceremony."#nycga
20:00 pm
Cont'd: "And tomorrow we'll have a sweat lodge. We've been occupying, not just to support native people but to make ppl aware of..."
20:00 pm
Cont'd: "...to erosion of the middle class." There's a bunch of hollering, a march incoming? Temp check says we want to stick w/ GA. #nycga
20:01 pm
Cont'd: "The native americans should not be represented by non-indians, and we should not be tokenized by any working group. If you are..."
20:01 pm
Cont'd: "...a native indian, you should be aware of native issues. Don't be a virtual reality indian. There's probably going to be a..."
20:02 pm
Cont'd: "...to start an indigenous working group. This group is non-indian, and I oppose, our friends oppose it..." "Last week, when we..."
20:03 pm
Cont'd: "..were here to talk about the memorial for wounded knee, this was the same set of people..." Stairs recognizes a point of process.
20:03 pm
PoP: "I want to hear where we should go next with this, but we're in the middle of a different proposal. I want to give you both respect."
20:03 pm
Friendly Amendment stack has opened on creating the anti-war working group. #nycga #ows
20:04 pm
No FAs. "I'd like to now move this proposal to consensus. How do we feel about that?" "Looks good. Any blocks?" No blocks! CONSENSUS! #nycga
20:05 pm
Stairs: "Earlier, I said this would be the last proposal. How do we feel?" A few uptwinkles, lots of nonresponse. Distractions abound. #OWS
20:06 pm
We're continuing. "The next proposal is from Strong Women Rules." #nycga #ows
20:06 pm
Nan's proposal (as Strong Women Rules) is "to audit finance. Yes." #nycga #ows
20:09 pm
Here's the proposal from Nan's Strong Women Rules: http://t.co/eDI84e3k
20:10 pm
Nan says we have an obligation to our donors to audit finance, and to protect ourselves from legal scrutiny. #nycga #ows
20:10 pm
Nan: "We are asking you for your permission, if Finance do not want to audit themselves, then our working groups audit finance..." #nycga
20:11 pm
Cont'd: "...so that way we know where the money's spent. We're going to be transparent." #nycga #ows
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"Basically, what we are asking you is your permission to audit finance and to be transparent. How we're planning on doing this is..."
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Cont'd: "...1, we'll have minutes. 2, you'll have livestream. 3, donors will have Internet to ask questions." #nycga #ows
20:12 pm
Now opening stack for Clarifying Questions. First: "I just want to know, what group are you with?" A: "I'm w/ Strong Women Rules..."
20:12 pm
Cont'd: "...working group. I'm a group that helps victims of sexual assault and rape. I'm a woman on behalf of women." #nycga #ows
20:13 pm
RT @Newyorkist: Just spoke w/ Captain Duffy of NYPD. Tells me NYPD closed park because "going to be impending arrests. We don't want any ...
20:14 pm
Yuri's CQ: "I'd like to point out that there is a transparency working group, i believe. Is that good enough?" #nycga #ows
20:14 pm
A: "The transparency working group's been trying so hard to make Finance transparent, but aren't doing much of a good job." #nycga #ows
20:15 pm
Next CQ: "As far as reporting where $ comes from, is that going to be a problem - you mentioned money laundering. Can you not report..."
20:15 pm
Cont'd: "...where donations come from w/o giving IRS license to audit?" A: "I don't understand your question." #nycga #ows
20:15 pm
CQ: "You mentioned keeping confidential names of donors. Is that legal w/ respect to your concern about auditing?" #nycga #ows
20:16 pm
A: "I said we're going to keep names in confidence. We're only going to use initials, but the auditors have to do what they have to do."
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Cont'd; "We're not going to livestream the people's accounts or names. That's what I meant." #nycga #ows
20:16 pm
Lorraine's CQ: "Can't people give donations to a certain amount w/o any names being given?" A: "That's a great question. That's for..."
20:16 pm
Cont'd; "...the accounting working group. I'm not the accounting working group. I cannot answer that question." #nycga #ows
20:17 pm
CQ: "I'd like to have clarification about the motive of this group, how it's going to work, and what would be its relationship w/..." #nycga
20:17 pm
Cont'd: "...accounting and w/ the GA?" A: "The WG is a women's working group in solidarity w/ many working groups. We'll have solidarity..."
20:18 pm
Cont'd: "...w/ transparency working group as we audit finance working group. Our goal is to make sure accounting is doing what is right."
20:19 pm
Cont'd: "I don't want the IRS coming after me because finance working group is..." [couldn't hear the end.] Stairs notes time's up. #nycga
20:19 pm
We agree to continue for 10 minutes. Someone has a POI: "I opened the bank account for #OWS through a longer story than I'd like to go..."
20:19 pm
Cont'd: "..into right now, I'm not w/ the Finance group. There are some things that I would like to see made clear w/ the help of an..."
20:20 pm
Cont'd: "..external auditing group. So what I would like this proposal to become is a mandate to get it done externally and have it..."
20:20 pm
Cont'd: "...taken a look at by as many people as possible." Stairs: "That was a point of information; also sounded like a frndly amndmnt."
20:21 pm
Stairs: "But I don't think we had consensus on extending this conversation." We temp check 5 more minutes... sounds good to us. #nycga #ows
20:21 pm
Stairs: "If we get to that 5 minutes, and we don't consent to continue the conversation," we may skip to consensus. #nycga #ows
20:22 pm
CQ: "Do you have any background in finances or regulation?" A: "I have a legal background. My father is a judge. RE: accounting, I..."
20:23 pm
Cont'd: "...do not have an accounting background, but other groups that are joined w/ my group, do have people w/ accounting background..."
20:23 pm
Cont'd: "...and they've already picked the firms that are going to be doing the work." End of CQ stack, opening Concerns stack. #nycga #ows
20:23 pm
Stairs notes that after this proposal finishes, we'll address how we feel about expected arrival of police imminently. #nycga #ows
20:24 pm
Sully's Concern: "I very much support the idea of this proposal; an audit is an important step for our community. First concern: this..."
20:24 pm
Cont'd: "...proposal gives Accounting an opportunity to do an internal audit. I think it's important that the audit be external to..."
20:25 pm
Cont'd: "...accounting, and involve others in OWS as well as people outside who can provide accounting knowledge and support." #nycga
20:25 pm
Cont'd: "My second concern is tht ppl are being barred from the park and the GA has dwindled, and this is too big to pass" right now. #nycga
20:25 pm
A: "People will always be barred b/c they have backpacks and can't come in. I can't stop that, sorry. Second, we're going to give..."
20:26 pm
Cont'd: "...accounting 7 days to do the auditing. If they refuse, we'll bring someone from outside to do the auditing, w/ working groups..."
20:26 pm
Cont'd: "...and other ppl who want to be partaking of that and know what's going on." #nycga #ows
20:26 pm
Concern: "Through all these questions, a lot of things come up, like the 7-day deadline, which weren't mentioned before, so I find it..."
20:27 pm
Cont'd: "...very hard to comprehend the full spectrum of the proposal." A: "I was trying to read it; ppl kept [using 'wrap it up signal].."
20:28 pm
Cont'd: "...so I summarized it. Sorry." Nathan notes that time is up, and we expect the police to arrive very soon. Trying to temp check...
20:28 pm
...but the march is too loud. Some discussion happening between Stairs. OK, they're temp checking again, do we want to close the GA. #nycga
20:30 pm
Nan temp checks whether we can finish it. Looks negative. Sully encourages her to consider tabling and allowing the GA to be closed for now.
20:30 pm
We temp check continuing w/ the proposal, and it looked negative. Then we temp checked ending the GA, and it was mixed. #nycga #ows
20:31 pm
Still confusing, temp checking again. OK, Nan's proposal is tabled. "The consensus was to end the conversation on this but to continue GA."
20:32 pm
Next proposal also from Nan. Loudest contingent in favor of continuing GA sounds unpleased by this. #nycga #ows
20:32 pm
Stairs: "We're starting a new proposal. Please give your respect to Jared." Oh snap, we're moving to the Politics and Electoral Reform WG.
20:32 pm
It's the "Subgroup to end Corporate Personhood" of the Politics and Electoral Reform Working Group. #nycga #ows
20:33 pm
@dailyrev above a certain size, you can't bring it in. on a night like tonight, refusing a search of any size bag keeps you out.
20:34 pm
Proposer explains that Citizens United gave corporations the right to spend unlimited campaign funds, "and the only way to remedy this is.."
20:35 pm
Cont'd: "...a constitutional amendment. Our proposal is for #OccupyWallStreet #NYCGA to say that we are in support of such an amendment..."
20:35 pm
Cont'd: "...and the New York City Council is voting on a resolution on Wednesday the fourth to also call for such an amendment."
20:35 pm
Cont'd: "So, we're also asking everyone to support the city council in their resolution. That's it!" #nycga #ows
20:37 pm
[Here's the tent that's causing all this commotion. -Ed.] #nycga #ows http://t.co/mBWgS2Ug
20:40 pm
The tent's been moved away from the stairs again. Looks like GA may pause again for a minute. #nycga #ows
20:42 pm
Stairs: "I'm willing to wait 5 more minutes. If we don't convene w/in 5 more minutes, the GA is over." #nycga #ows
21:00 pm
Ok! GA has been dispersed by an unofficial consensus of no one focusing on it. Lots of merrymaking and fun! But can't run consensus lk this.