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RT @OWScom: OWS IMPORTANT UPDATE: 60 Wall Street is CLOSED today.
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RT @OccupyWallStNYC: At 1:30pm, #ImmigrantsOccupy-March Agnst Deportation/Detention & Wage Theft http://t.co/Y6E2DnZU @ImmigrantsOWS
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RT @OWScom: OWS INFO ALERT: Arraignments today for those arrested on Saturday begin at 1:00PM and NOT at 9:00 AM as had previously been ...
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@thats_bananasss OWScom says that 60 Wall is closed today @occupywallstnyc @occupywallst @owslibrary @joshharkinson
12:01 pm
The #OccupyWallStreet Unconference at Pace today! Schedule: http://t.co/k8fWYrJI #ows #d18
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RT @heratylaw: FREE! Today RT @LibertySqGA: The #OccupyWallStreet Unconference at Pace today! Schedule: http://t.co/AIWI0wjA #ows #d18
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19:22 pm
Hey fam! #OWS General Assembly will start in about 5 minutes. I (@diceytroop) will hold down the livetweets til @heratylaw (<3) arrives.
19:27 pm
OK, here we go! Liberty Square General Assembly, starting now. Follow here and @LibertySGA2, @LibertySqGA3, and @LibertySqGA4. #nycga #ows
19:29 pm
Stairs (facilitators) are currently reviewing hand signals. A quick review: http://t.co/VHmHwQl9 #nycga #OWS
19:30 pm
Stairs points out that if you issue a point of process or other hand signal aggressively, it can still be an interruption, so be calm pls.
19:31 pm
Stairs reviews process for proposals. "We hear the proposal, then open a stack for clarifying questions, in case it wasn't clear enough."
19:31 pm
Cont'd: "Once everyone's clear on the proposal, we'll open stack for Concerns. And then out of concerns arise friendly amendments..."
19:31 pm
Cont'd: "...which would address your concerns and make you amenable to the proposal." Then, we test for consensus... #nycga #ows
19:32 pm
Cont'd: ..at which point, "you can issue a block. A block is very serious; it's a moral, ethical or safety concern for the movement."#nycga
19:33 pm
If there are unresolved blocks, proposer can move to a 9/10ths vote. "We don't like to vote, b/c we want to be in consensus with everyone."
19:35 pm
OK, @Diceytroop bounced. Stairs is still going over preliminary stuff. #nycga #ows
19:36 pm
@MarkMayhew Please don't be so rude to @rosinarubylips. Thanks! @occupynolaga
19:36 pm
OccupyYouth 540 President Street, realworks team filmmaking 430pm. December 22nd thursday #nycga #ows
19:37 pm
Housing: Update: new proposal for metrocards for this week, it passed #GA previously but they're waiting to distro cards... #nycga #ows
19:38 pm
... once the funds are released from Accounting. There was a delay because of #D17. You need a slip from the point person of your WG #nycga
19:39 pm
CQ: SWRWG is putting together a lecture on your constitutional rights, about getting arrested. We're looking for space... (this isn't a CQ)
19:40 pm
Structure: If yr intersted in participating, please contact me, looking at structures of #GA and #SC. #nycga #ows
19:40 pm
he didn't give any contact info. #nycga #ows
19:41 pm
Facilitation: mtgs Tue-Thu-Sat at 4pm at 60 Wall. #nycga #ows
19:41 pm
They are also at 60 Wall everyday at 5pm to take incoming proposals. #nycga #ows
19:41 pm
19:42 pm
3 agenda items tonight. 1: Movement Building: needs 5 minutes for this. #nycga #ows
19:42 pm
The Zapatistas & University of the Earth in Chiapas are convening a conf at end of month... #nycga #ows
19:42 pm
... with activists and intellectuals from around the world. #nycga #owsf
19:43 pm
They invited #OWS to participate to present its varying views & build solidarity. #nycga #ows
19:44 pm
Proposal: They have authored a message of solidarity and they want the #GA to approve it. You can read it at http://t.co/KRNv7uET #nycga
19:46 pm
Also notes that if there is additional commentary other than the statement, it will not be "official" #nycga #ows
19:47 pm
Also, tonight's proposals are at http://t.co/KRNv7uET #nycga #ows
19:47 pm
Concern: You should have printed the statement for all of us. Why didn't you do that? #nycga #ows
19:48 pm
A: this proposal, including the message, was posted on the website since Friday. #nycga #ows
19:48 pm
CQ: When is the conf? A: Dec 30 - Jan 2nd. #nycga #ows
19:49 pm
C: In light of #NDAA, what is the guvmnts opinion of the Zapatistas? A: We don't know (and who cares?) #nycga #ows
19:50 pm
(Someone is noting that the London #Occupy has been labeled a terrorist organization. ) #nycga #ows
19:51 pm
(by the way, that wasn't an emoticon at the end, my fingers are totes cold) #nycga #ows
19:51 pm
C: The Dept of State designates certain groups as terrorists. Do they? #nycga #ows
19:52 pm
PoI: The Zapatistas are not labeled as terrorists by the US #nycga #ows
19:52 pm
Nellie from #OccupyHarlem. We are an ally of Justice in the Barrio. #nycga #ows
19:53 pm
I fully support this statement, the CQ I have is: whether the US considers the Zs a terrorist organization (We just answered that ...
19:53 pm
... and thank you.) #nycga #ows
19:54 pm
Stairs notes that they value your opinions but we're at Clarifying Questions right now. #nycga #ows
19:54 pm
Nathan: you mentioned that we might have time to unofficially speak on our behalf... #nycga #ows
19:54 pm
A: Not of #OWS behalf, but we could share our individual experiences working with #OWS, but not speak on its behalf. #nycga #ows
19:56 pm
There is a question of process... #nycga #ows
19:57 pm
CQ: I think someone just asked where is was held. A: Chiapas. #nycga #ows
19:58 pm
Opening stack for concerns. 1: I do not want to give approval to something you just read to us. v
19:58 pm
... I'm afraid that you might edited it without us know. #nycga #ows
19:58 pm
When ppl bring a proposal, we like to see it in writing. #nycga #ows
19:59 pm
... She wants them to table it until they bring proof of what it was says. Stairs: this was actually a Friendly Amendment. #nycga #ows
20:00 pm
Proposer: We're not accepting that FA. #nycga #ows
20:00 pm
(And the FA person just ran screaming...) #nycga #ows
20:01 pm
C: (it wasn't really a concern, maybe its a FA instead) #nycga #ows
20:02 pm
Stairs: is there anyone w a Friendly Amendment? Yes: We do not marginialize the 99% or the 1%, we call ourselves the 100% #nycga #ows
20:03 pm
Amendment was rejected b/c the statement was drafted by the Movement Building WG #nycga #ows
20:04 pm
Another FA: Add exploitation of labor to the list of things that the corporations do. #nycga #ows
20:04 pm
PoP: Wld like to remind you that if you want to write a proposal and make statement, go to a working group. #nycga #ows
20:05 pm
... Ij've seen this happen before, and it is very difficult to re-write things in #GA. FA rejected. #nycga #ows
20:05 pm
30 seconds to talk abmongst yourselves... #nycga #ows
20:05 pm
(PS sorry for my typos!) #nycga #ows
20:06 pm
(the person who ran screaming before is a Yelly person, she is now threatening the proposer if he doesn't table the prop) #nycga #ows
20:07 pm
@MarkMayhew Don't cc us on your rude comments, then. Thank you. @rosinarubylips
20:07 pm
Proposer has elected to not table the proposal. #nycga #ows
20:08 pm
Temp check on moving to consensus looks good. Yelly person blocks. #nycga #ows
20:09 pm
One block, w're moving to modified consensus. (Note, this particular person seems to block everything in #SC and #GA) #nycga #ows
20:10 pm
Someone notes that the block person should leave the movement if the proposal is passed (b/c a block is that serious) #nycga #ows
20:10 pm
((people twinkle the concept of her leaving as a result of a block) #nycga #ows
20:11 pm
The blocker's block is not based on an ethical, moral, or safety issue - and someone just noted that!) #nycga #ows
20:11 pm
Mic check! OK, let's move forward with the process by allowing the Proposer to respond to the block. #nycga #ows
20:12 pm
Proposer: the person doing the video, at no cost to us, needs to do it tonight. #nycga #ows
20:13 pm
PoI: Prop needs to be voted on tonight. Not allow ppl who block every proposal every night to deter us. #nycga #ows
20:13 pm
We're moving to modified consensus. #nycga #ows
20:14 pm
(discussion of method of counting for the purpose of modified consensus) #nycga #ows
20:16 pm
(@diceytroop is schooling the crowd on stand-asides in modified consensus). #nycga #ows
20:17 pm
@justinstoned Historically it has been Yelly, but roll whatever way you like! #nycga #ows
20:17 pm
By a vote of 58 to 4, we have consensus! Statement passes. #nycga #ows
20:18 pm
Announcement: Food being served at Trinity Church right now. #nycga #ows
20:18 pm
(they're recording the statement right now) #nycga #ows
20:19 pm
@justinstoned Fuck yeah.
20:20 pm
20:22 pm
Another proposal! Demands Working Group. want to adopt the following demands... #nycga #ows
20:23 pm
They are demanding a jobs program to put 25million ppl to work. #nycga #ows
20:23 pm
Program to be funded by taxing corporations and high-income ppl. #nycga #ows
20:24 pm
@justinstoned I know when it started, and it was Yelly. But roll your own way. #nycga #ows
20:25 pm
(also, proposal is at http://t.co/KRNv7uET) #nycga #ows
20:25 pm
He's reciting the working groups that support this. #nycga #ows
20:26 pm
OWSenespanol: our WG endorsed this 3 weeks ago b/c the ppl need to be bailed out right now. #nycga #ows
20:26 pm
Our govmnt is wreaking havoc right now (she discusses wars and the banking bailouts...) #nycga #ows
20:28 pm
#OWS should adopt this demand as one of money to meet the needs of working ppl today. #nycga #ows
20:29 pm
Proposer says he has many ppl to do presentations for this demand. But Stairs thankfully says that the proposal has been presented... #nycga
20:29 pm
... and that we shld move to clarifying questions. #nycga #ows
20:30 pm
Stairs: Since teh consensus process has been used to workshop this demand, let's move the approval process forward. #nycga #ows
20:33 pm
Clarifying questions? Q: Our WG (out of work WG) should... it's not a clarifying question. #nycga #ows
20:34 pm
CQ: This says its a proposal and not an official demand. A: Proposal until it is adopted by the #GA. #nycga #ows
20:36 pm
(they are repeating the WGs who are in support of the demand) #nycga #ows
20:36 pm
Most of the WG are part of #OWS, some are part of other occupies. #nycga #ows
20:37 pm
4 more ppl on stack for clarifying questions. #nycga #ows
20:38 pm
CQ: It's good to see so many WGs supporting this, but many WGs are not here. Curious why this demand is not following... #nycga #ows
20:38 pm
... the process of our communication cluster groups. #nycga #ows
20:38 pm
(solutions cluster, sorry) #nycga #ows
20:39 pm
A: this statement has been workshopped long before the Solutions Cluster started. #nycga #ows
20:40 pm
CQ: I know you have the best interest of the unemployed at heart. Your process is frustrating to me. New ppl that are not here... #nycga
20:40 pm
... representing other groups, you should be concerned about not frustrating them. Last time this was up for discussion... #nycga #ows
20:41 pm
... a delegation came here and none were able to speak because the process did not allow them to speak. #nycga #ows
20:41 pm
(He's saopboxing about silencing ppl) #nycga #ows
20:43 pm
CQ: 2 CQs. How is this in line w the fact that #OWS has consensed to not have any demands. #nycga #ows
20:43 pm
2. And you're empowering the government to give us job without specifying what types of jobs they are. #nycga #ows
20:44 pm
A: It is not factually correct that the #GA consensed to demands. #nycga #ows
20:44 pm
The statement of principals ends "Demands will follow..." #nycga #ows
20:45 pm
A: And we did specify the industries that should have more jobs (incl education, etc0> #nycga #ows
20:46 pm
CQ: If this is ignored, your demand says actions will follow, what kind of actions? A: There will be consequences... #nycga #ows
20:47 pm
... and we'll form our own political party. #nycga #ows (Note: Someone says that she is saying that on her own... #nycga #ows
20:47 pm
... that is not part of the proposal or anything official.) #nycga #ows
20:48 pm
CQ: WIll the proposal include a public works program that addresses the inclusion of all races? A: Yes. #nycga #ows
20:50 pm
CQ: Can we specifically add an outreach program to go to marginalized communities suffering from high unemployment? A: yes. #nycga #ows
20:51 pm
CQ: There is a lack of clarity about whether #GA ever consensed on not making demands. #nycga #ows
20:51 pm
CQ: she wants this to be tabled until the "no demands" position is clarified. #nycga #ows
20:52 pm
POI: We have shot down every request for demands that have ever come to #GA. #nycga #ows
20:53 pm
CQ: It's unclear whether we have consensed on moving forward with demands... additionally, we're still working on... #nycga #ows
20:54 pm
... our goals statement. Not appropriate to bring our demands before our goals. #nycga #ows
20:55 pm
C; We're well-regarded for many issues, including not capitulating to the standard model of making demands.... #nycga #ows
20:55 pm
... making demands comes from a position of weakness and gives someone else the power. #nycga #ows
20:56 pm
C: Really value the issue yr bringing to the table, unemployment is a form of economic oppression. #nycga #owsf
20:57 pm
... When demands like this come to the table, we have a broader vision and what we can do for ourselves. #nycga #ows
20:57 pm
For specific outcomes, work within the community to create those outcomes. #nycga #ows
20:58 pm
Issuing a demand undermines the community organizations that function horizontally, like we do. #nycga #ows
20:59 pm
Next on stack: this demand is excellent, this country needs jobs. But we are known worldwide as a group that does not make demands. #nycga
21:01 pm
Proposer: Every1 shld remember this: #OWS is magnificaent. If we get mired in whether we shld have demands, more ppl will die. #nycga #ows
21:01 pm
Ppl have been committing suicide b/c they cannot get work. If you want to get stuck in politics of #OWS, they will die. #nycga #ows
21:02 pm
They count on ppl like us to get something done. I wld not be standing here if not for my faith in #OWS. But their blood is on our hands.
21:03 pm
Stairs: we have hit our time limit, should we allow more time? #nycga #ows
21:04 pm
Brookfield security is listening intently to the #GA discussion of emplopyment/unemployment. #nycga #ows http://t.co/vhsi32dP
21:05 pm
C: I'm very concerned. #OWS is our only hope. What I'm hearing is that this process seems to be breaking down into bureaucracy. #nycga #ows
21:06 pm
Let us grow this movmnt by reaching out to all these unemployed ppl for demand for jobs. #nycga #ows
21:07 pm
C: If idea is to demand jobs from the corporatocracy, then I'm concerned with this proposal. #nycga #ows
21:08 pm
C: Justin made a brief comment, but I could not hear it. #nycga #ows
21:09 pm
C: OCncerned that refusal to make demands will cause #OWS to lose momentum. #nycga #ows
21:10 pm
FA: to create 25 million new environmentally- and socially-responsible jobs. #nycga #ows
21:10 pm
Accepted! #nycga #ows
21:12 pm
C: I'll be brief, main dividing point is one word: demands. Demands are fine w me, but what about "call for" instead of "demand"? #nycga
21:12 pm
(Ed: I like it) #nycga #ows
21:12 pm
Proposer does not accept it. #nycga #ows
21:13 pm
Proposer wants time to respond to all of the concerns. "This movement is already making demands. LA, Chi, ATL, DC has made demands..."
21:13 pm
"Here is Manhattan, we need to start making demands." #nycga #ows
21:14 pm
C: There is a WG working on jcrafting our visions & goals. If we come out with a demand before our goals, we're going to look silly. #nycga
21:15 pm
And my specific concern is that we're asking "daddy government" to please please give us jobs. #nycga #ows
21:15 pm
We need to empower ourselves to create jobs, like we did with our 2 new worker co-ops. #nycga #ows
21:16 pm
(Announcement: Kitchen is still at Trinity but they're leaving at 930pm if nobody goes over there). #nycga #ows
21:17 pm
Someone makes note that Facilitator's put a time limit so we have time to get to a vote. Let's take a vote already! #nycga #ows
21:17 pm
Stairs: we don't control that, the group consenses on whether to take more time. #nycga #ows
21:18 pm
@ScotsIrish2 I am imperfect, and it is cold. I cannot even feel my fingertips! #nycga #ows
21:18 pm
(Once again, please excuse my typos! I am imperfect.) #nycga #ows
21:19 pm
Temp check: There are a considerable number of blocks. 11+ blocks. Stairs: looks like its not going to be consensus. #nycga #ows
21:21 pm
Proposer wants a full count, even tho it's really not numerically possible to overcome the blocks through modified consensus. #nycga #ows
21:21 pm
A lot of the ppl who are proposing this are getting angry. #nycga #ows
21:23 pm
There are 54 ppl here, and at least 11 blocks. Proposer is upset. #nycga #ows
21:26 pm
This proposal has not passed. Proposer upset, insists on a count of all the ppl FOR the proposal. This proposal has not passed. #nycga #ows
21:26 pm
Thanks Nathan for counting! #nycga #ows
21:27 pm
An item was added to the agenda. Now there are 2 left. We're all jumping and dancing to warm up. #nycga #ows
21:29 pm
Facilitation: 2 parts: 1. Move #G indoors on a trial basis; 2. payment for that space. #nycga #ows
21:31 pm
Ppl jumping up and down want to go straight to vote! Guess what? The person who blocks EVERYTHING doesn't want it to go to a vote. #nycga
21:32 pm
CQ: how much money do we have? #nycga #ows
21:34 pm
CQ: When does it start? A: Tues! and then Thurs. Trial basis only. #nycga #ows
21:37 pm
CQ: There should have been metrocards provided for ppl who cannot walk over there. #nycga #ows
21:37 pm
(Ed: although its not far from #Zuccotti) #nycga #ows
21:38 pm
A: that proposal was never brought forth. #nycga #ows
21:38 pm
No concerns. #nycga #ows
21:39 pm
FA: Accounting is offering their $100 daily allowance to purchase Metrocards for ppl. #nycga #ows
21:40 pm
Point of Information!: Ppl do not get metrocards to come to #GA now, they shldn't get Metrocards to go to #GA cpl blocks away. #nycga #ows
21:40 pm
Design offers to create flyers etc so ppl know where #GA is if this passes. #nycga #ows
21:41 pm
Nan insists on metrocards so ppl don't have to walk in the cold. #nycga #ows
21:44 pm
Temp check: most positive uptwinkles ever. #nycga #ows
21:45 pm
Someone just made the point that she comes from Brooklyn to #Zuccotti. Nan said she's privileged and then physically attacked her. #nycga
21:46 pm
Nan is now screaming that she is going to beat the shit out of her. (Ed: If Nan doesn't get removed for this, then this is crazynuts) #nycga
21:47 pm
Unbelievable. #nycga #ows
21:47 pm
Nan is blocking b/c homeless ppl cannot walk that far. It might be cold on Tues. Don't have access to Metrocards. #nycga #ows
21:49 pm
PoI ( I was going to say this): The Homeless Caucus already gives out unlimited weekly metrocards to these ppl. #nycga #ows
21:51 pm
Stairs: modified consensus. 2 ppl against the proposal. Nan and someone else. Proposal passed! #nycga #ows
21:54 pm
Heywood asks for reimbursement for someone who opened their home to us after the raid and there was some damage. #nycga #ows
21:55 pm
She didn't charge #ows for any of it. But stuff got damaged. 2 broken windows and a doorframe. #nycga #ows
21:55 pm
RT @DiceyTroop: Nan blocked a proposal to move GA to 56 Walker for a trial period, but we got modified consensus! GA IS MOVING INDOORS E ...
21:57 pm
CQ: how many apartments did she offer (she has an apartment complex)? A: Not sure. #nycga #ows
21:58 pm
She housed 40-60 ppl for about 3 weeks. #nycga #ows
22:00 pm
(Surprise! Nan is against the proposal!) #nycga #ows
22:01 pm
(Apparently a sink was damaged and it caused some water damage to the apartment downstairs. #nycga #ows
22:02 pm
CQ: Do we know who caused the damage? #nycga #ows
22:02 pm
A: I don't know for sure. I have heard speculation but I'm not comfortable saying who. #nycga #ows
22:03 pm
Concern: Says the electricity bill is inaccurate. A: I was there, there was heat & electricity. #nycga #ows
22:05 pm
Friendly amendment: We shld raise some funds for this person b/c then maybe more ppl would be welcoming to su. #nycga #ows
22:05 pm
Proposer: I will bring it up to her. #nycga #ows
22:06 pm
FA: we should give her more. A: I'm not sure she'll even take it. But I love the sentiment of it. #nycga #ows
22:08 pm
Nan has "an ethical problem" with paying her for heating, wants to see the bill. #nycga #ows
22:09 pm
Taking temp check: No blocks: consensus! #nycga #ows
22:09 pm
(Heywood says his finger is so cold his phone doesn't register it.) #nycga #ows
22:10 pm
Last proposal: #OccupytheHolidays We wld like to do a toy drive for some of the kinds who have no toys! #nycga #ows
22:11 pm
Asking for $3K for toys and food to bring to Bronx, Harlem, (and one other place). #nycga #ows
22:13 pm
In Brooklyn at Trinity Lutheran: Bronx: Prospect Family Shelter; Barrio: 104th & Park. #nycga #ows
22:14 pm
Bronx: 156 Street & Kelly; Barrio: 104st & Park; Brooklyn: 45th St & 4th Ave. #nycga #ows
22:15 pm
Guy is yelling about being atheist. Mic check! Toys have no religious affiliation. #nycga #ows
22:16 pm
Sorry, but this guys is yelling really loud and I can't hear. #nycga #ows http://t.co/cvFRQK2U
22:17 pm
Wait a minute, why didn't Brookfield Security deal with that guy, why was it #OWS who had to deal with him? #nycga #ows
22:18 pm
concern: Toys shld be stuff the kids want. A: They will be good toys, not shitty toys! #nycga #ows
22:20 pm
C: no toys with lead. A: OK, we are not trying tokill the kids! #nycga #ows
22:21 pm
C: Sorry to be a grinch, but this is a political movement, ppl donated to see it succeed. We don't know how much more $... #nycga #ows
22:21 pm
... is going to come in. #nycga #ows
22:22 pm
That's totally valid! I was part of Outreach and this idea came from that. Flyers don't work. This project shows... #nycga #ows
22:22 pm
... support and will lead to more solidarity. This is a nice first step. #nycga #ows
22:24 pm
("eat the rich, have a toy!") #nycga #ows
22:25 pm
Concern: this shldn't be called a Christmas project; A: OK, happy holidays it is! #nycga #ows
22:26 pm
22:27 pm
Concern: will the kids know that this is from #OWS or will it be random? A: We're working with a few other organizations & trust them #nycga
22:28 pm
Instead of buying from big shops, we'll buy from local stores. #nycga #ows
22:28 pm
COncern: this just feeds into the consumerist culture, and that's not #OWS. #nycga #ows
22:29 pm
A: Kids don't understand consumer culture, they just need toys. I'm trying to respect what the members of the community have told me. #nycga
22:30 pm
A line of about 12 cop cars with their lights on just went by. Oh shit! They found out we're giving away toys! #nycga #ows
22:31 pm
Friendly amendments: Is there any way to teach them about giving and something to downplay the consumerist stuff? #nycga
22:31 pm
A: Lets talk later. #nycga #ows
22:33 pm
FA: Offer to have ppl make things or donate things. #nycga #ows A: Yes!
22:34 pm
FA: can some of the money go to help ppl pay to make stuff for this drive? (Answer unclear) #nycga #ows
22:36 pm
Clarification: $1700 for toys, $1300 for food. #nycga #ows
22:37 pm
FA: You should get #OccupytheYouth to get involved with this. Accepted! Clarification: $1700 for toys, $1300 for food. #nycga #ows
22:38 pm
We're out of time and are going straight to consensus. ANy blocks? No! Consensus! Clarification: $1700 for toys, $1300 for food. #nycga #ows
22:39 pm
(there are about 7 stand-asides) Clarification: $1700 for toys, $1300 for food. #nycga #ows
22:40 pm
Restate: We allot $3K for food and toys to give away on Dec 23, anyone who wants to get involved, make something, yr welcome to! #nycga #ows
22:41 pm
(No sweatshop toys!) #nycga #ows
22:41 pm
Chants of eat the rich, get a toy! #nycga #ows
22:42 pm
We did a bunch of stuff tonight, feel good about yourselves! Adjourned! G'night folks! #nycga #ows
23:05 pm
@ZoeTreuer $1000
23:05 pm
@elkinginnetti Read it again as an exhortation that the person blocking shld leave the mvmnt.
23:07 pm
... the shit out of her, but apparently it was more of an "in yr face" thing. @mikedelic: @LibertySqGA2 physically attacked her?
23:28 pm
Correction: it looked like a physical attack & Nan was dragged screaming abt beating... @mikedelic: @LibertySqGA2 physically attacked her?