00:00 am
Proposer accepts 3-5 as a friendly amendment, plus 4 years jail time if broken. Stairs notes we've reached time, extending for 5 #nycga #ows
00:01 am
Someone asks that he table it so he can work on this more; he says it's time-sensitive, but Stairs suggests he go to P&ER group, come back.
00:01 am
Proposer: "All right, I can bring it forward tomorrow, what time do you need?" #nycga #ows
00:01 am
Nan clarifies, so it'll be tabled for tomorrow night? She's cool as long as it goes to 60 Wall and Charlotte's place. Otherwise, block.
00:02 am
Stairs: "The proposer's accepted a friendly amendment and that it's brought back tomorrow night." #nycga #ows
00:03 am
Someone notes they have a very strong block about this, and don't think changes would matter. "Basically, this is becoming very..."
00:03 am
Cont'd: "...dangerous; #OWS is not a campaign and should not be proposing legislation for congress to support." #nycga #ows
00:03 am
"Many of the things he said here are similar to what Obama said in '08; I supported him then but it's not what #OWS is about." #nycga #ows
01:02 am
Ok, sorry to drop the ball, but tonight's livetweeter got wrapped up in a contentious debate about the second to last proposal after GA.
01:02 am
The last proposal, the demand to end Congressional immunity to insider trading laws, was tabled, just to make that clear. #nycsc
01:05 am
The previous proposal, to ask for experiments in several forms of electoral reform, was "passed" by GA but in a process I've questioned -Ed.
01:05 am
The question of what happened with that process will be addressed at tomorrow's facilitation meeting. Sorry, can't be impartial on that one.
03:34 am
@Newyorkist this came from Razor, who is part of RAHKA. But if you look at emergency housing proposal it should be calculable from that
19:11 pm
Welcome to another GA! We're beginning now! #nycga #ows
19:13 pm
Everyday at 6:30 pm 60 Wall St, we have training on direct democracy. Join us! #nycga #ows
19:19 pm
Lucia will be taking stack and time keeping responsibilities tonight (thank you Lucia!) #nycga #ows
19:21 pm
Tonight's agendas include Statehouse, SIS, WOW, and the Constitution WG #nycga #ows
19:23 pm
Stairs: Our purpose is to facilitate discussion. We are not an authority. The real world requires $ in order to be heard. Here.. #nycga #ows
19:24 pm
Stairs: .. all we ask is for patience & tolerance. #nycga #ows
19:28 pm
1st agenda is from Sustainability: Next sunday we're having a Holiday Event which includes a # of WG #ows #nycga
19:29 pm
Sustainability: What we're asking for is $900 for supplies. #ows #nycga
19:30 pm
Sustainability: Our event aims to bring together all the Working Groups. #ows #nycga
19:31 pm
Sustainability: And we want everyone to come so we can be reminded of the community we built. #ows #nycga
19:31 pm
Sustainability: We hope to make and serve a holiday dinner for everyone who comes! #ows #nycga
19:33 pm
Stairs: Lets start by opening stack for clarifying questions #ows #nycga
19:34 pm
Sustainability: The event is being held at 75 Frost Street in Brooklyn from 1pm - 9pm with dinner at 6 pm. #ows #nycga
19:37 pm
Sustsainability: Our workshops include a guerilla gardening, how to be your own plumber, compost, & climate science discussion #ows #nycga
19:37 pm
Stack: So, do u need $ for food? Sust: Yes but we welcome ppl to bring their own #ows #nycga
19:38 pm
Stack: the only reason i ask is bc i just threw out a bunch of food. What about food rescue? #ows #nycga
19:39 pm
Sust: This is why we're running workshops on preserving food. #ows #nycga
19:40 pm
Stack: Have u created a break down of costs and is it public? Also, is kitchen is involved, how come u havent reached them? #ows #nycga
19:40 pm
Sust: We're asking for 300 for meal prep bc we havent heard back from kitchen despite our numerous emails #ows #nycga
19:41 pm
Sust: the other $ is for the workshop supplies required by the various workshops we have in place #ows #nycga
19:42 pm
Sust: we believe it is important to honor those running the workshops so they dont have to buy their own supplies. Its our responsibility...
19:43 pm
Sust: we're trying to remove this burden. Also, there is a budget breakdown on nycga.net #ows #nycga
19:44 pm
Stairs: can i get a temp check on extending discussion (downtwinkles) #ows #nycga
19:44 pm
PoP: Lets take a temp on the proposal itself (uptwinkles) #ows #nycga
19:46 pm
Stairs: We:ll now move onto concerns #ows #nycga
19:47 pm
Nan: We approved a kitchen budget & also u should reach out to them. #ows #nycga
19:47 pm
Concern: we have alot of talk about sustainability and it really gets me when we to spend money to show sust. #ows #nycga
19:49 pm
Sust: We agree w/ what ur saying. The primary reason we ask for funds is bc there are some things we cant source ourselves #ows #nycga
19:50 pm
Sust: the money is going to things specifically we cannot source (see budget on nycga.net) #ows #nycga
19:55 pm
FriendlyAmendments: Please modify the donation amount. If u cant, then postpone until u talk to kitchen. #ows #nycga
19:56 pm
Sust: Unfortunately due to event and time frame, we need to expedite this process. #ows #nycga
19:57 pm
FA: limit budget, reach out to kitchen, & return xtra $ to coffin #ows #nycga
19:58 pm
Sust: We'd like to do that but we dont want ppl to leave hungry & is already a conservative budget #ows #nycga
20:00 pm
PoI: The $10k kitchen budget passed last night does not include outside events. #ows #nycga
20:01 pm
Nan: Yes it does. There is 2800 allocated for events (holding budget in hand) #ows #nycga
20:02 pm
Stack: I think you should return Tues and bring back the proposal after speaking with kitchen. #ows #nycga
20:04 pm
Sust: We dont think we will be able to deal with kitchens internal disputes. Tho, if we can get in touch, we'll gladly return $ #ows #nycga
20:05 pm
Nan: reach out to kitchen to take the $300 out of the $2800, then return the former to the coffin #ows #nycga
20:06 pm
Sust: 1 of the reasons we dont have faith in kitchen is bc they failed to provide dinner 2n for hungry ppl #ows #nycga
20:07 pm
Stairs: Ok. These are side convos. Lets take a moment. (Someone says "there is food at 60 wall!) #ows #nycga
20:08 pm
Sust: we're willing to work with kitchen. The event we're trying to do is symbolic & requires ur support #ows #nycga
20:09 pm
PoI: Kitchen has served food tonight. There is food there. #ows #nycga
20:09 pm
Stairs: Lets move to consensus. Are there any blocks? #ows #nycga (1 block)
20:10 pm
Nan: Ill remove my block if price is reduced. Kitchen has 2800 for outside events. We're wasting $$ #ows #nycga
20:11 pm
Sust: We're happy to accept if kitchen makes the food for the event. #ows #nycga
20:12 pm
Sust: our restated proposal is now only $600 for workshop costs. Any $ not used will be returned & kitchen will cook food ..#ows #nycga
20:12 pm
Sust:... for at least 150 ppl #ows #nycga
20:13 pm
Stairs: Alright. Lets take consensus (uptwinkles). Greattttt! The proposal passes! And that took way too long (ppl laugh) #ows #nycga
20:15 pm
Sust: If u have things u want to barter, email us at owssustainability@gmail.com #ows #nycga
20:15 pm
Stairs: Next is the Justice for Private Danny Chen proposal #ows #nycga
20:18 pm
(Doc passed out. Quick background, Private Danny Chen was found dead. Military said he was beaten by superior officers... #ows #nycga)
20:19 pm
(...and made fun of before his death. While the investigation is ongoing, the military hasnt updated Danny Chen's family #ows #nycga)
20:22 pm
JDC (justice 4 d chen): there is a march on Dec 15 6 pm starting at the Army Recruiting Center @ 143 Chambers & ends @ Columbus park #nycga
20:23 pm
(No concerns... moving to friendly amendments) #ows #nycga
20:24 pm
FA: U want to raise $200 for banners. But we have WGs that do just that. #ows #nycga
20:25 pm
JDC: I did not know that. Still, direct action is in a couple days. We can return the $ #ows #nycga
20:26 pm
JDC: (restating proposal) $200 to create a banner (also in Chinese) and for #ows to join us in our march #ows #nycga
20:27 pm
Stairs: Lets move to consensus (uptwinkles). Blocks? (1 block) #ows #nycga
20:28 pm
Block: A bunch of people just ate out of the dumpster. Put that on a banner. #ows #nycga
20:29 pm
PoI: We are NOT a discriminatory movement. Whether its to make a banner or feed people, we are here to help EVERYONE! #ows #nycga
20:30 pm
Stairs: Will u rescind your block? Blocker: No. What should come first, banners or food? #ows #nycga
20:32 pm
Stairs: When a blocker does not rescind, we move to modified consensus which is a 9/10ths vote. #ows #nycga (head count being taken)
20:33 pm
Stairs: We have 46 total. So we're going to have a vote to vote against the JDC proposal. #ows #nycga
20:34 pm
Only one person (the original blocker) raises their hand. #ows #nycga
20:35 pm
Stairs: JDC proposal passes! #ows #nycga
20:35 pm
Stairs: Next proposal is from the Constitution WG #ows #nycga
20:37 pm
Stairs: Scratch that. Womens WG is going next. #ows #nycga
20:38 pm
Womens: we're requesting $300 for a workshop on anti violence. It will be 12.50 per person #ows #nycga
20:38 pm
Womens: It will be part of the techops conference at Pace #ows #nycga
20:39 pm
Womens: Our intention is to empower those participants so they can teach others at ows #ows #nycga
20:40 pm
Womens: We need to pay the instructor $300 for 24 ppl #ows #nycga
20:44 pm
Womens: We've tried to find ppl who offer free training. But we havent found any #ows #nycga
20:45 pm
Concerns: I can offer free training and im a lady. What do u guys need? #ows #nycga
20:46 pm
Concern: Why are we wasting 300 for 3 hrs when u can do ur own research & include more than 24 ppl? #ows #nycga
20:49 pm
Womens: We want those 24 women to take what they learned and teach everyone else. #ows #nycga
20:49 pm
Womens: the women we have selected is the founder of the center for anti violence education #ows #nycga
20:50 pm
Concern: are the 24 women already signed up & how do u hold them accountable to train others? #ows #nycga
20:51 pm
Womens: They havent been selected yet. To sign up, email wowsnycga@gmail.com to sign up #ows #nycga
20:54 pm
FA: can u find free trainers if ppl need additional training? #ows #nycga
20:55 pm
FA: My friend has over 6 yrs of self defense experience. Why not use her? #ows #nycga
20:56 pm
Womens: its not just self defense, but also nonverbal techniques. #ows #nycga
20:57 pm
FA: The women who take the training sign a pledge to teach others and that the teacher teaches the teaching skills #ows #nycga (WWG accepts)
20:59 pm
FA: If there any spaces left open, i recommend u open spots to men & men who identify as women (WWG accepts) #ows #nycga
21:00 pm
Womens: (restating) $300 for Workshop with 24 spots including men and pledge for scheduling future teach ins #ows #nycga
21:01 pm
Stairs: Temp check (uptwinkles) Blocks? (3 blocks) #ows #nycga
21:03 pm
Blocks (nan): Why are we wasting $300? It's an ethical thing. We're wasting $ like water #ows #nycga
21:04 pm
Block2: i dont think training should be for 24 ppl #ows #nycga
21:05 pm
Block 3: self defense is an action. This is a peaceful protest, not karate class #ows #nycga
21:06 pm
Womens: We believe this is not a waste of time or $. Its a way to handle ourselves & share it with the community #ows #nycga
21:10 pm
Stairs: Lets take a temp check on consensus (uptwinkles). Any blocks? (2). Okay, time for modified consensus. #ows #nycga
21:13 pm
(headcount is 43) Can i see a show of hands against the WWG proposal? 10 against. #ows #nycga
21:14 pm
Stairs: We dont have a modified consensus. For now, this proposal has been tabled. #ows #nycga
21:15 pm
Stairs: Next is the Constitution WG #ows #nycga
21:16 pm
CWG: Our proposal addresses 7 issues and each involves a violation of the U.S. Constitution #ows #nycga
21:20 pm
CWG: 1: Bailouts of private corps. 2. The Fed Reserve. 3. Money/Monetary policy. 4. Public Debt 5. Public Education #ows #nycga
21:21 pm
6. Clean elections and 7. War powers and Americas Foreign Policy #ows #nycga
21:23 pm
CWG: what we want is to create a petition of redress for all 7 grievances #ows #nycga
21:25 pm
Question: I want to applaud you bc this is what #ows is about. Will this be available in paper form as well? CWG: Yes. #ows #nycga
21:26 pm
CWG: Our website is http://t.co/B4C9fK0e #ows #nycga
21:32 pm
Question: Why have u focused on these 7? CWG: These have been inspired and sourced by ows & constitutional scholars #ows #nycga
21:36 pm
Q: Can u give us ur background & some history? #ows #nycga
21:39 pm
CWG: Bob was a govt consultant & had a life change. Hes spent 30 years protecting marginalized voices after anticipating .. #ows #nycga
21:40 pm
CWG: The impending assault on the Constitution and our civil liberties. #ows #nycga
21:41 pm
CWG: until 1836, the people were allowed to petition the govt for accountability. #ows #nycga
21:42 pm
CWG: then, in 1836, a gag order was implemented to prevent abolitonists from petitioning the govt #ows #nycga
21:44 pm
CWG: It wasnt till Quincy Adams had that gag order repealed but the damage had already been done. Our proposal isnt to.. #ows #nycga
21:45 pm
CWG: ... amend the Constitution but to defend it. #ows #nycga
21:47 pm
Q: do u want to move to a gold standard? #ows #nycga CWG: No, but we want people to invest in Gold & Silver #ows #nycga
21:49 pm
(Multiple convos now) Stairs: Lets bring it back. Lets move forward to next Q #ows #nycga
21:50 pm
Q: If this goes forward, how do we ensure the mvmnt doesnt go away? #ows #nycga
21:51 pm
Stairs: Before we continue, can i get a temp check on continuing (mixed). Ok on the proposal (mixed)/ #ows #nycga
21:53 pm
(We're now in breakout groups reviewing proposal.) #ows #nycga
21:54 pm
(Also, second battery running low on phone. If the tweets stop, ive moved onto my laptop & will upload the rest tonight) #ows #nycga
21:55 pm
Stairs: Ive spoken with CWG and theyve agreed to table the discussions but they have a couple words #ows #nycga
21:57 pm
CWG: Many interesting points were raised. We will return Tues. We welcome more so please talk with us (or email them on site) #ows #nycga
21:59 pm
Stairs: Our next and last proposal is by Occupy Farms #ows #nycga
22:00 pm
OccupyFarms: We propose to move out of parks and into farms. Theres plenty of clear land and orchids #ows #nycga
22:01 pm
OccupyFarms: We want to create teach-ins and yearly festivals that represent ows and farmers #ows #nycga
22:02 pm
OF: We're asking the GA for $50k for this cause #ows #nycga
22:03 pm
OF: The money will go to seeds, greenhouse, farmsites, tents, and farming equipment #ows #nycga
22:05 pm
OF: Sustainable foods and medical. The money will be used for all this. Priorities on open source and sourced resources #ows #nycga
22:11 pm
Stack: I like ur proposal, but can we wait until the spring? Also, we are running gardens but no tent..#ows #nycga
22:12 pm
Stack: ... until we have one, im unfortunately going to block your wonderful proposal #ows #nycga
22:14 pm
Stack: Your group is about farming. What is ur farming experience? OF: None. I just wrote the proposal but we have... #ows #nycga
22:14 pm
OF:.. many biologists working on the farm taking soil samples #ows #nycga
22:15 pm
Stairs: Ok. There are many blockers. Can we do a straw poll before we can continue. #ows #nycga
22:17 pm
Stairs: Can i have a temp check on clarifying questions. (Uptwinkles) ok. Lets continue #ows #nycga
22:19 pm
Q: Have u considered nyc for this proposal? OF: This proposal was bc of a resource extended to our WG #ows #nycga
22:20 pm
OF: But if u know of other plots, please come to our meetings. We want to share any $ raised #ows #nycga
22:21 pm
OF: We'll have a meeting at 60 Wall at 4 pm tomorrow. Please come. #ows #nycga
22:22 pm
Stairs: Ok. The proposer has graciously decided table the agenda. #ows #nycga
22:22 pm
Onto working group report backs #ows #nycga
22:24 pm
Stairs: Please keep report backs to 2 minutes #ows #nycga
22:26 pm
Comfort: 2 satellite stations have been created. Office hrs are M-Th. We're looking for volunteers #ows #nycga
22:26 pm
Comfort: Contact us at Wallstcomfortstation@gmail.com | we also have a fb page #ows #nycga
22:27 pm
Security: we are being removed from churches. Respect the homes that open their doors. #ows #nycga
22:29 pm
Stairs: Thats it for WG report backs. On to announcements #ows #nycga
22:29 pm
Rally march at 1:30 from Foley to Zuccotti on Dec 18th #ows #nycga
22:31 pm
I am Uncle Bob who started the Chow Camp. We go to restaurants who throw away their food & provide it to ows #ows #nycga
22:32 pm
Uncle Bob: We want to keep providing that service. See me #ows #nycga
22:34 pm
At 1130 am, the realtor will be here 2m to show us a building. If interested email strongwomenruleworkinggroup@gmail.com #ows #nycga
22:35 pm
Stairs: Alright. That ends announcements. Thanks for being here on this cold night! #ows #nycga
22:38 pm
Whew. And that's all for tonight's Dec 11th GA. Thanks for sticking with us. Rest well everyone and goodluck to #d12 tomorrow <3 #ows #nycga