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Compilation of livetweets from Monday Dec 5 #SpokesCouncil #nycsc http://t.co/F5AjMrDz
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Compilation of livetweets from Tues Dec 6 #GeneralAssembly #nycga http://t.co/g3MM9wVD
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15:18 pm
RT @OWS_Tactical: There will be a very important Direct Action meeting tomorrow. Message me privately if you're interested. #occupywalls ...
19:45 pm
Here we go! Another #OWS Operational Spokescouncil! Follow here and @LibertySqGA2 thru 4 for livetweets. #nycsc #ows
19:45 pm
Someone: "I understand facilitation won't be facilitating tonight, so let's facilitate ourselves." #nycsc #ows
19:45 pm
Nathan, Facilitation: "I'm speaking as spoke for Facilitation, not a facilitator- we've decided we will be taking our place as a spoke…"
19:45 pm
"…we understand there's a lot of really important conversations that need to take place, and acknowledge it's been perceived we have…"
19:46 pm
"…tried to set the agenda. Tonight we'll be one spoke. We don't take this lightly; this group has a lot of resources and we hope that by…"
19:46 pm
"…us stepping out of the room, it'll let that conversation happen organically." #nycsc #ows
19:46 pm
TP: "Spokes isn't designed for individual expression and GA's not equipped for group organization b/c of human mic." #nycsc #ows
19:46 pm
TP cont'd: "So, I think what's busting through is our desire for individual expression. Last time we spoke about this I think what…"#nycsc
19:47 pm
TP cont'd: "…came out of it was the need for a long people's mic, or something. Spokescouncil really isn't designed for this." #nycsc #ows
19:47 pm
TP cont'd: "CT Butler says you don't have a discussion about process itself in the same meeting where you discuss content (proposals)…"
19:47 pm
TP cont'd: "So my suggestion is that we have an individual conversation about process." #nycsc #ows
19:48 pm
Calvin asks the group if we think he has a good idea, folks ask him to identify himself, hahah. Calvin is leaving soon tho? #nycsc #ows
19:48 pm
Nan tells Calvin she thinks he's taking over, where she wants an open discussion space which is what she thought would happen. #nycsc #ows
19:49 pm
TP proposes that we ask someone to take stack. Nan agrees as long as there's no other facilitation. Anthony will stack. #nycsc #ows
19:50 pm
So to be clear, tonight's Spokescouncil is sans facilitation determined by the Facilitation Working Group, so we're working out what to do.
19:51 pm
Someone points out that the Spokescouncil design requires facilitation as determined by a GA, maybe we need to adjourn + have soapbox.
19:51 pm
Music: "We haven't been using music enough, and it could be a big source of unity. Suggests we sing "We shall overcome." #nycsc #ows
19:51 pm
Oh, it's "We Shall Not Be Moved." "I think we really need unity right now!" So, we're singing right now. #nycsc #ows
19:52 pm
Nan: "I want to put on the table the problems, situations that are separating us so we don't trust each other." #nycsc #ows
19:52 pm
Nan: "I didn't come here to sing, I came here to solve these problems. That's what I thought we were here to do." #nycsc #ows
19:52 pm
Anthony (stack taker) tries to answer, but folks remind him he needs to be on stack as well. #nycsc #ows
19:53 pm
Occupy the Youth: "Nan has a pt; there are some issues we need to address. How we address them may be what we need to be deciding..."
19:53 pm
OtY: "…also, I hear that other guy, which is that we're outside of that model for Spokescouncil so we need to decide how to proceed." #nycsc
19:54 pm
(Sorry, it's not that the model says we need facilitators, but that it requires only spokes speak, and we seem to be opening to individuals)
19:54 pm
Next: "It was announced at last Spokes that sanitation was going to open Brooklyn garage tomorrow, but it won't be open tomorrow…" #nycsc
19:55 pm
Cont'd: "…the Brooklyn Garage will be open Wednesdays and Saturdays, 9am to 2:30." #nycsc #ows
19:55 pm
Next, Library: "I'm finding this insulting to our collective intelligence. We've all been here a long time now; we've tried to be adults…"
19:55 pm
Cont'd: "…who are respectful to one another. There are people here who are not being respectful. Facilitation works hard every day." #nycsc
19:56 pm
Cont'd: "If we cannot have a rational discussion in this room, I don't see how we can change our world/government." #nycsc #ows
19:56 pm
Cont'd: "I'm begging ppl right now, please, be quiet, be respectful, and we can change the world." #nycsc #ows
19:56 pm
Chaim: "I agree w/ that sentiment, and if we implement certain changes, we can make it much better. If we have rules more based on…" #nycsc
19:57 pm
Cont'd: "…on nature, it'll be less more arbitrary. If someone has a question after stack is closed, not allowed to speak, naturally, it..."
19:57 pm
Cont'd: "..would cause frustration. Which could lead to disruption. So we need to bring our process more in line w/ human nature." #nycsc
19:57 pm
Occupiers: "I speak for the occupiers. I am an occupier. And a lot of the things, and a lot of the situation, and a lot of the meetings..."
19:58 pm
Cont'd: "…has to say, but in order to do that you first must listen. The occupiers have a voice that's not being heard, and that's why.."
19:58 pm
Cont'd: "…that I've been to today; I've been sitting in meetings not saying anything. And the reason why is I want to hear what everyone…"
19:58 pm
Cont'd: "…I'm speaking here. Today, we had an occupiers meeting; for the people who didn't come to that meeting or know about that mtg..."
19:59 pm
Cont'd: "…you're #OWS, but you're not an occupier. You're just fighting a system. We are rebuilding that system; there's a hierarchy..."
19:59 pm
Cont'd: "…there are people who don't want voices to be heard. People are here from all over the world. We gladly accept your support..."
19:59 pm
Cont'd: "…because you are supporting the occupiers, who are the reason for the donations and the reasons ppl throughout the world are..."
19:59 pm
Cont'd: "..watching us. They didn't come to 52 Broadway to interview you, they came to Zuccotti Park." #nycsc #ows
20:00 pm
Cont'd: "And the reason there are disruptions is that the occupiers, the ones that suffer, are the ones that made this. Thank you..."
20:00 pm
Cont'd: "…for your support, but if not for the occupiers, you wouldn't be here. You wouldn't know nothing about this." #nycsc #ows
20:00 pm
Cont'd: "And the reason there are disruptions is that the occupiers, the ones that suffer, are the ones that made this. Thank you..."
20:00 pm
Alternative Currencies: "Chris, I love you man, but I have to address something about your speech: there was a lot of separation." #nycsc
20:01 pm
Cont'd: "We are all occupiers. They are the 1%, every one of us is the 99% fighting against the 1. You did say something valid…"
20:01 pm
Cont'd: "…which is that we're creating a system much like the last one. And a lot of that is aimed at Finance, and it's about money..."
20:02 pm
Cont'd: "…and we at Alternative currencies want to give you money. Debt-free money, not reserve notes, something new." #nycsc #ows
20:02 pm
Cont'd: "Once again, I love all you guys here, and we are a community, and let's be one." #nycsc #ows
20:02 pm
PoI, Bob: "That same thing was tried in Texas by a group that was a survivalist colony, and the minute they did that, the Federal Gov't..."
20:03 pm
Cont'd: "…said according to Federal law, it's illegal to print your own currency, and they went in w/ Federal troops and it was on the news"
20:03 pm
Reply: "That's not across the country, and our currency would be designed in a legal way so you could use it." #nycsc #ows
20:03 pm
Richard, Think Tank: "I've never spoken at this group, but I want to say this and give us something to think about. I think we might..."
20:03 pm
Cont'd: "…want to turn off the cameras and the web chats and computers, and sit down as brothers and sisters and open our hearts and minds..
20:04 pm
Cont'd: "…and admit we're coming out of a broader system that divided us for a long long time, by race and class. We want to be one, but..."
20:04 pm
Cont'd: "…being one is going to take some time, and we may fight each other, and we may get mad at each other, but we will unite."
20:05 pm
Cont'd: "And until we do that, we are only pretending to have unity, and then people get skeptical and frustrated with that." #nycsc #ows
20:05 pm
Stephen from Outreach: "We're not operating as spokes, although we're gathered as spokes, and I'd like to make a proposal that..."
20:05 pm
Cont'd: "If you're honest and truthful w/ one another and sincere in that division, then we can get to unity." Applause. #nycsc #ows
20:06 pm
Cont'd: "…we adjourn spokes and open a discussion meeting, so that we honor the format GA established." #nycsc #ows
20:06 pm
Ha, some confusion as there's no one to facilitate except stack taker Anthony, let's see what happens. #nycsc #ows
20:08 pm
Trish: "As I understand it, you want to stop what's going on right now in this room -- wait one minute, you don't have to move your head.."
20:08 pm
Cont'd: "..all you have to do is make eye contact w/ me. You want to stop this right now and come to an understanding that Spokes is not..."
20:08 pm
Cont'd: "..going on and make clear that this is another meeting." He replies yes. Trish: "I can say Spokes doesn't even exist, but I..."
20:08 pm
Cont'd: "…won't say that, but when we left facilitation today and came here, we came to a spokes meeting, and facilitation agreed..."
20:08 pm
Cont'd: "…how that meeting would be held, and we're holding it, just like Facilitation said, like la la we're going to do it like this."
20:09 pm
Cont'd: "And as far as the GA empowering you to do something, the GA did not empower you to hold a spokes meeting this way and that way…"
20:09 pm
Cont'd: "…it empowered you to look after Zuccotti Park which doesn't exist any more they didn't empower anything else." #nycsc #ows
20:10 pm
Answer: "Facilitation didn't plan anything except to not facilitate. And secondly, there is still a park, people still go there." #nycsc
20:10 pm
Proposer clarifies, "I think this is great, but I think it's important we clarify this is not working under the model the GA approved."
20:11 pm
DA: "If we're going to do that temperature check -- " Someone says we don't need to, Chris says "let's have some order." #nycsc #ows
20:11 pm
.@blogdiva just stepped in and explained temp check; some people want us to finish and not worry about process at all. #nycsc #ows
20:12 pm
DA proposes that spokes that need to make announcements speak real quick, and then also any urgent proposals while Spokes is in session.
20:12 pm
OWS en Español: "I want to also give thanks and recognition for everybody's patience for the optimism that keeps us working everyday."
20:12 pm
Cont'd: "And also, what the gentleman says, the spokes need to at least make their announcements about things they're working on.."
20:12 pm
Cont'd: "…like events and actions coming up, and we want to hear what other people are doing before we adjourn." #nycsc #ows
20:13 pm
Next: "This happened b/c ppl respected a way of talking before the meeting - before the occupation. This was enabled by hardworking..."
20:13 pm
Cont'd: "..actvists - there is a way to talk and get things done, and it's been proved by the occupation. Think about that, which process.."
20:14 pm
Cont'd: "..we used to get here, that's all." Next: "I've been friends w/ the owners of this building for over 10yrs - you know, we are #OWS"
20:15 pm
Cont'd: "56 Walker has been an activist space for over 10 years." Reviews others that have used this space. "We are Occupy Wall Street."
20:16 pm
Cont'd: "56 Walker has been an activist space for over 10 years." Reviews others that have used this space. "We are Occupy Wall Street."
20:16 pm
Owner of 56 Walker tells us about a documentary about Tesla that's being shown here tomorrow night I think. #nycsc #ows
20:17 pm
Jessica, Design: "I came here tonight for Spokescouncil, and I'm kind of wondering where the spokescouncil is!" #nycsc #ows
20:18 pm
RT @LibertySqGA2: Cont'd: "56 Walker has been an activist space for over 10 years." Reviews others that have used this space. "We are Oc ...
20:19 pm
Cont'd: "I think a lot of ppl came here to set an agenda and make proposals to get things moving. I don't think moving away from…"
20:19 pm
Cont'd: "…facilitation is the answer! I love my facilitation! I want to make t-shirts!" Also agrees we need to consense on moving away...
20:20 pm
…from Spokesmodel. Next: "I haven't been here in about a week and a half b/c I didn't even feel safe being here in this room." #nycsc #ows
20:21 pm
Cont'd: "To me, I think it speaks a lot that those who come to Spokescouncil are not representative of #OWS. People who come..."
20:21 pm
Cont'd: "…are people who feel they need to be heard. We're all on an ego trip." Suggests we check egos at door and use Spokes for projects.
20:21 pm
Cont'd: "Step up, step down, but literally, step *down*! You are not that important!" #nycsc #ows
20:21 pm
RT @DiceyTroop: Sorry fam, yeah, accidentally dropped a few tweets here meant for @LibertySqGA. Actually we're on @LibertySqGA2 at this ...
20:23 pm
Next, Direct Action. "For those of you who don't know me, my name is Mark; a couple announcements. Yesterday we had #D6, which was…"
20:23 pm
Cont'd: "…a pretty successful action, and we got more press than any other action. Press was really sympathetic that we were able to…"#nycsc
20:23 pm
Cont'd: "…move a family into a foreclosed home." Worked with Sanitation, other WGs. An ongoing effort. #D6 #nycsc
20:24 pm
DA cont'd: "Next action is #D12, which will start at 7:30AM- 2 marches, one from red cube and one from City Hall." #nycsc #ows
20:24 pm
Cont'd; "Everybody'll be there at 7:30, we'll start as 2 marches and convene at World Financial Center, HQ of Goldman Sachs." #nycsc #ows
20:24 pm
Cont'd; "This is to be in solidarity w/ the west coast occupations, and there'll be a press conference there. 7:30 to 10:30, then…"
20:26 pm
Cont'd; "…after that, maybe something going on around 12." On December 17th, an attempt to reoccupy a certain place… #nycsc #ows
20:26 pm
Someone just got on stack and yielded her time to Trish: "You do not have to like me. You don't have to give a damn about me. What you..."
20:26 pm
Cont'd: "…have to do is love the movement. These power struggles going on, these control freaks going on- you're thinking I'm one..."
20:27 pm
Cont'd: "Now, when we left the Facilitation meeting, we had the consensus we'd come here, someone would stand up..."
20:27 pm
Cont'd: "..but you don't know until you go to one of these offices, these warehouses! I'm just trying to stay true to the movement." #nycsc
20:27 pm
Cont'd: "..and say we're aware of the problems, we're going to let you pick someone and we'll be here if you need us, but we'll let..."
20:28 pm
Cont'd: "…you do your thing. But this guy says he only knows how to take stacks. No one is saying I'll help you, bt that's your expertise.."
20:28 pm
Anthony says he knows how, but he's not empowered to. Trish says, "The only difference was to be the facilitation team would be picked..."
20:29 pm
Cont'd: "…from working groups." Someone says: "Do you hear what this is? There's a lack of consistency here," gesturing at Trish. #nycsc
20:29 pm
Trish: "For you, facilitation not to assist in solidarity, someone who cannot perform all the duties, I question that." #nycsc #ows
20:29 pm
(FTR, I was at that meeting and we consensed not to pick new facilitation and instead leave it fully open. Point of fact.) #nycsc #ows
20:30 pm
Trish is still talking, and people are trying to get her to stop. The one talking about consistency tried to talk and people yelled him down
20:31 pm
Now, folks are singing. Now folks are mic checking. "Get it together! We're here to have a discussion, not to argue." #nycsc #ows
20:31 pm
Next on stack! "I came here tonight to announce the homeless caucus and homeless working group. They're dire, dire WGs." #nycsc #ows
20:31 pm
Cont'd, he's going to read something from a napkin because the hand signals he finds distracting and upsetting. #nycsc #ows
20:32 pm
Cont'd: "Since the raid, the homeless ppl here have lost everything: their home, their community, their regular meals, their access to eq.."
20:32 pm
Cont'd: "…their friends in working groups. They've lost everything, and every day has become a struggle to see when you're going to..."
20:32 pm
Cont'd: "…sleep, when you're going to eat. People are sleeping on subways and getting arrested; pregnant women are turned away..."
20:32 pm
Cont'd: "…from shelter. People are cutting themselves in the McDonalds' bathroom. And this is happening at other Occupys..."
20:33 pm
Cont'd: "…like Philly, and Boston. Many left their lives; others who were homeless are now inspired. People were on the brink before this.."
20:33 pm
Cont'd: "..because they were so unhappy. If you want consensus, just ask people who's unhappy." #nycsc #ows
20:33 pm
Cont'd: "In a time of war, and your soldiers are wounded, you don't leave them behind. You get them." #nycsc #ows
20:34 pm
Cont'd: "As much as we say there's not a divide, but when they're injured, and they see their comrades walking forward, business as usual.."
20:34 pm
Cont'd: "…it can't help but create divide. If you guys are looking for a common ground project, wouldn't this be it?" #nycsc #ows
20:34 pm
Cont'd: "…isn't this the opportunity to get together to do what we came to do? To change the world? I believe we're here to..."
20:34 pm
Cont'd: "..make people happy. I came here expecting to find a group of ppl who were just ready to go, that they would put aside judgment…"
20:35 pm
Cont'd: "…and self-indulgences and have lots of projects, not to meet, but to work from a united platform. There seems to be a…" #nycsc #ows
20:35 pm
Cont'd: "…fundamental breakdown between action and telling ppl what to do/ think. Put all ideas into action. This is a group..."
20:35 pm
Cont'd: "…ppl may come and get discouraged and keep their skills because it's not a safe environment. And b/c it's not a safe..."
20:36 pm
Cont'd: "…environment, the ppl occupying before, who led the marches, who went to jail for this, holding down the fort..."
20:36 pm
Cont'd: "…to act like these things aren't contributions now that their lives are on the line… They're getting sick. They have pneumonia."
20:36 pm
Cont'd: "I had pneumonia for 2 weeks in Philly. I'll wrap it up. If this is going to work, it can't be boiled down to one idea, because…"
20:37 pm
Cont'd: "Let's get to work, and stop reflecting ppl's desires based on what you want. I understand we're trying to work on the same things..
20:38 pm
Cont'd: "We're just not taking the time to understand each other - we skipped the first step." #nycsc #ows
20:38 pm
Cont'd: "The Civil Rights mvmnt didn't have that -t hey had communities first. If we don't take the time to take a break from all our..."
20:38 pm
Cont'd: "…projects, and put down our computers, and take the time to get to know each other - it's not working. Let's try something else."
20:38 pm
Cont'd: "If we get caught up in our self-indulgences and judgments, we're not going to leave our children the planet we want to leave them."
20:39 pm
Cont'd: "The issue is judgment. Stop judging each other. Trust each other. We are all here for the same exact reason. Empower each other.."
20:39 pm
Cont'd: "…instead of cutting down each others' ideas and over processing them, and get to fucking work." #nycsc #ows
20:40 pm
Cont'd: He makes the point again that we *need* new people and ideas, folks who understand things we don't. "We should have a forum for..."
20:40 pm
Cont'd: "…suggestions just to improve communication, and help people access this movement, people who've been left out." #nycsc #ows
20:40 pm
Long, loud applause. People were really moved by that. It feels like it's still ringing in the room. #nycsc #ows
20:40 pm
Next: "It's nice to follow someone so thoughtful, and I really appreciate you saying that. I'm glad I have the chance to be heard as well."
20:41 pm
Cont'd: "We shouldn't turn our backs on all the hard work it took to get here -- all those that helped us to have the ideas we have..."
20:41 pm
Cont'd: "…about humanity, took organization -- had to set things aside to get things done. It took structure, even if it felt like..."
20:41 pm
Cont'd: "…it wasn't what they wanted to do at that moment. We've created an incredible structure that's let us communicate..."
20:41 pm
Cont'd: "…with people all around the world. So it makes me sad when I hear people say, "let's throw away all the processes that help us…"
20:42 pm
Cont'd: "..understand each other." Notes the GA authorized Spokes, which means we authorized ourselves, to do specific things. #nycsc #ows
20:42 pm
Cont'd: "I'm sad that facilitation isn't facilitating; I'd love for facilitation to facilitate. Will you facilitate and help us to have..."
20:43 pm
Cont'd: "…a spokescouncil please?" People are not happy with this idea, I think mostly b/c this is going well aside from occasional discord.
20:43 pm
Francis from Library again: "Library went on 2 awesome direct actions yesterday; mobile library at #OccupyHunter, and brought books..."
20:44 pm
Cont'd: "…to East New York, gave books out, left rest w/ Castillo family on Vermont Street. Also, the lawyer for Bloomberg told us..."
20:44 pm
Cont'd: "…Sanitation didn't destroy any books, which is bullshit. So we're pursuing that." #nycsc #ows
20:44 pm
Next, Ted: "Honestly, I feel that it's an incredibly beautiful discussion that's being had right well-- really important words of the..."
20:44 pm
Cont'd: "…concern and love we all have for the movement. I wanted to add a little bit of perspective to that: we are part of an…"
20:45 pm
Cont'd: "…unstoppable movement. And we may feel now like the weakest link, but it's because everything is being thrown at us." #nycsc #ows
20:45 pm
Cont'd: "We're struggling right now b/c all the resources of the system we're trying to make obsolete are being pummeled at us." #nycsc
20:45 pm
Cont'd: "Some of us were beaten, arrested. And now we're having conversations I've never heard in my whole life!" #nycsc #ows
20:46 pm
Cont'd: "So, it's not a tragedy. It's beautiful! And it's the greatest gift any human could ever ask for, to set their own shit aside..."
20:46 pm
Cont'd: "…and fight together while we're being confronted by evil? It's the most awesome fucking thing alive any human could fucking do."
20:46 pm
Hahah, Nan just let out a string of f-bombs to tease Ted. The tone in this room is crazy light / jubilant / heavy all at once. #nycsc #ows
20:47 pm
Ted: "The homeless folks of NY have become dedicated to us, and they're suffering. And there are people suffering in wars..."
20:47 pm
Cont'd: "…all over the world right now. We need to recognize what's at stake, and protect the unity we feel. We want to protect the lives…"
20:47 pm
Cont'd: "…of the children in Iraq. And we need to reflect that, and let go of this negativity, this pessimism, as that's our true enemy."
20:48 pm
Cont'd: "We can't let that weaken us. B/c somebody is exploiting that, our tiny weaknesses. We can't forget that -- there's an enemy."#nycsc
20:48 pm
Cont'd: "So, we need to explore our baggage, but remember we're 120% in control. So, I want to ask for a little assistance for a…"#nycsc
20:49 pm
Cont'd: "…day of action, for #Occupy2012. I have a group of organizers.." Ted tells us about an early action they organized...
20:49 pm
Cont'd: …where they walked with candles through the barricades. "We have everything we need, and we should be constantly grateful.."
20:50 pm
Cont'd: "…and constantly protect the unity of this grp with yr life. There's no "us" and "them". It's always us. We did this, we made..."
20:50 pm
Cont'd: "…the Spokescouncil; we are here. We are occupiers; there's no us and them." #nycsc #ows
20:50 pm
Next: "First of all, I just want to thank all of you, each of you, individually; yr time and efforts have made an enormous difference and…"
20:51 pm
Cont'd: "..I think this conversation is fantastic. We need to build on that, focus on not dividing ourselves, build our unity and not..."
20:51 pm
Cont'd: "…create problems b/w us when there are bigger problems affecting the rest of the world." He's grateful for #OWS. "Keep it up!"
20:51 pm
Next: "I've been a lot of places, seen a lot of things in my life. I've seen where they were armed, and freezing cold, and wondering.."
20:52 pm
Cont'd: "…if they were going to be shot down. And I see 2 things right off the bat here that you guys need to realize. You're not facing.."
20:52 pm
Cont'd: "…an enemy that's a pussycat. You're facing an enemy that will kill you. They'll do anything to destroy every one in this room..."
20:52 pm
Cont'd: "…because that's how they got into power in the first place. If you want to survive this - and I do mean survive - you've got to.."
20:52 pm
Cont'd: "…tighten up the ship. 2, you're right, needs are not being addressed." Suggests we put a section on site to get needs met. #nycsc
20:53 pm
Cont'd: "1 other thing that's important, if we don't work together as a team, as one group, we're dead in the water." #nycsc #ows
20:53 pm
Cont'd: "Because I guarantee that those boardrooms full of ppl that hire security companies and use infiltrators..."
20:53 pm
Cont'd: "…that pay salaries of city council and other types of groups like this, who pay the police salaries, they do have..."
20:54 pm
Cont'd: "…well-oiled machines of people that can destroy us. We used to have a term in Black Ops: see-foo." A flawless operation. #nycsc
20:54 pm
Cont'd: "It was a beautiful thing to see done from an operation standpoint, and a thing we need to think of and do as a group." #nycsc #ows
20:54 pm
Cont'd: "Because if we cannot run this thing tight, you're asking to be wiped out. And they will wipe you out, b/c they have no <3..."
20:55 pm
Cont'd: "…for you at all. You are the enemy to those corporates, and they don't want you to take their millions from them." #nycsc #ows
20:55 pm
Cont'd: "My son was murdered, the crime covered up, and they got away w/ it. So I do know how dangerous they are, and they did this..."
20:55 pm
Cont'd: "…to a guy who can put a bullet in <something far away, forget>. And if they can do it to me, who grew up in a cop house, who..."
20:56 pm
Cont'd: "…did intelligence, they can sure as hell do it to you." Woah. Anthony: "Thanks, Bob!" #nycsc #ows
20:56 pm
DA next. "Important to note that facilitators don't own the process; they're just the most equipped practitioners of the process…" #nycsc
20:56 pm
Cont'd: "…so, just because they're not facilitating, doesn't mean we can't use the process." Also asks we use progressive stack. #nycsc
20:58 pm
Next: "I want to agree w/ what Bob said, I've been in movements forever and there *are* people who are here to divide us, on payroll."#nycsc
20:58 pm
Cont'd: "They used to say, look to the left, look to the right, one of you is a cop." "When you see division, some of it may be heartfelt…"
20:58 pm
Cont'd: "…but some of it may not be. But one of the ways to get through this is to use your process. And I would like to just say.."
20:59 pm
Cont'd: "…if it were me, and I was promised something, and I came tonight w/ that promise, I'd be mad as all hell." #nycsc #ows
20:59 pm
Cont'd: "So what you have here is a situation set up by well-meaning ppl that we have to get thru. Personally, I'd beg facilitation…"#nycsc
21:00 pm
Cont'd: "…to fucking facilitate! But that's just me." (She's very nice, that's for humor.) Someone yells about it, starting a yell-valanche.
21:00 pm
Cont'd: "…I have needs, this guy who can't shut up has needs. I beg of you, there are people here who know how to divide us, and there..."
21:00 pm
Cont'd: "I beg of you, don't be put off on this. I'm going to break into tears, but don't be put off. We all have needs- you have needs…"
21:02 pm
Cont'd: "Thank you, facilitation, for trying - I beg you to keep on trying." Applause for her. #nycsc #ows
21:02 pm
Cont'd: "…are people in every fucking movement who do." She's a little mad at facilitation, but nicely. #nycsc #ows
21:04 pm
There was a bit of a disruption, and now @blogdiva is stepping up. "It's my turn? are you listening!" Hahah hyping the crowd! #nycsc #ows
21:04 pm
"My name is Liza; spanish ppl call me Lisa. I'm w/ the PoC WG, I'm also w/ OWS en Español, and Tech Ops. I have 2 announcements."#nycsc #ows
21:04 pm
Cont'd: "I came from 60 Wall Street, so I'm going to talk now as Tech Ops. The 18th is going to be a whole day of training at PACE Uni."
21:05 pm
Cont'd; "Each and every #OWS WG has the oppty to have a training session, workshop, meeting space. If you just want a space from 7am..."
21:05 pm
Cont'd: "…to 8 at night, to shoot the shit however you want w/ yr working group, talk to me. I'll be helping set up the website for…"
21:05 pm
Cont'd: "…registration, and it'll be free for all of you. Food, bag check (especially key for homeless occupiers), you'll have a place to.."
21:06 pm
Cont'd: "…be all day there, to come in and out, meet ppl from other WGs, and participate in sessions." Sunday the 18th. #nycsc #ows
21:06 pm
"We're doing this b/c it would be good to have a common space for all WGs to be in the same time on one day, and to do fucking work! Right?"
21:06 pm
Cont'd: "So, I'm Liza@nycga.net; I'm the one w/ a goofy icon. Or you can reach me on Twitter." She hates the phone! Me too! @blogdiva y'all!
21:07 pm
Cont'd: "Also, on the 1xth, we're having an anti-racism training. This is the beginning of a conversation. One of the things we decided.."
21:07 pm
Cont'd: "…was that we're not going to use Trinity as a space in solidarity w/ the hunger strikers. If we're going to be working on..."
21:08 pm
Cont'd: "…anti-oppression, we're not going to be feeding oppression, right? Not engaging Trinity Church for this. A full day put together.."
21:08 pm
Cont'd: "…by Applied Research Center; they do workshops all over the country, they have an annual conference called Facing Race." #nycsc
21:09 pm
Cont'd: "It's not just going to be about racism; it's not just going to be about black and white. I'm a black Puerto Rican woman." #nycsc
21:09 pm
Cont'd: "My identity is multiple. My first language is not English. My mother is a white woman! The first eyes I ever looked into were..."
21:09 pm
Cont'd; "…the beautiful blue-green eyes of a white woman. She grew up in such poverty that her brother died in her arms b/c my..."
21:10 pm
Cont'd: "…grandmother did not have the money to save him from a dysentery epidemic. White people! Not black people! White people!" #nycsc
21:10 pm
Cont'd: "I'm a 3rd-generation freed slave also. PR was the last colony to abolish slavery, and we're still a colony of the United States."
21:11 pm
Cont'd: "In my country, oppression is not about black or white, because the man paid by the FBI who puts a bullet in yr head is a black man"
21:11 pm
Cont'd: "Oppression is not about the color of your skin. Poverty is not about the color of your skin. I have privilege to be here." #nycsc
21:11 pm
Cont'd: "I have privilege, and I wage it for this movement." (Every part of this I missed is a tragedy.) #nycsc #ows
21:12 pm
Cont'd: "I'm a walking, living, intersectionality. If we're going to use postmodern terms, there you go." Laughter. #nycsc #ows
21:12 pm
Cont'd: "We cannot think of unity as one pt of view in the world winning over another." Asks Michael who spoke earlier for his name...
21:13 pm
Cont'd: and Mike mentions he has PR blood too. "Mike brought a beautiful pt that I'd love for you to consider and think about, b/c..."
21:13 pm
Cont'd: "…these are the type of things we'll be talking abt on 14th. Unity isn't about erasing difference, it's abt respecting difference."
21:13 pm
Cont'd: "If we can get through that, we're going to kick some fucking ass as a movement. But we need to get beyond the idea that we're..."
21:14 pm
Cont'd: "…here to erase difference. We're here to respect it. I love being a Puerto Rican woman! I love being able to say <uhoh>." #nycsc
21:14 pm
Cont'd: "I love my multiplicity, and I love the multiplicity of this movement. I call myself a baby of the CR movement; my mother..."
21:14 pm
Cont'd: "…married up by marrying a black Puerto Rican man. Do you understand this? She married up. They met in el barrio through..."
21:15 pm
Cont'd: "…a community organizing group that used to do very much like what we did yesterday in East New York. They met doing voter..."
21:15 pm
Cont'd: "…registration at a time when my white mother was told when she went to register to vote to change her name b/c it was too..."
21:15 pm
Cont'd: "…Spanish-looking, and why would you want a Spanish name if you're a white woman?" #nycsc #ows
21:16 pm
Cont'd: "My father was one of those who drafted the VRA, and included linguistic equality. If you're Italian, Greek, Eastern European Jew.."
21:16 pm
Cont'd: "…thank my father. They called it the Puerto Rican Amendment." "So, think about this, for the rest of not only today, but til..."
21:16 pm
Cont'd: "…the 14th, b/c this is what we're going to be dealing with. We nd to respect our history, our stories, to respect this difference."
21:16 pm
Cont'd: "Thank you." Wow. Applause again. #nycsc #ows
21:17 pm
(Hey everybody, this epic Spokescouncil continuing @LibertySqGA3 now)
21:17 pm
Next: Chaim. "I'd like to read the Spokescouncil empowerment, the last bullet-point, which reads Spokescouncil has the power..."
21:18 pm
Cont'd: "…of amendments to Spokescouncil that don't change the role of the GA." So, he says we can do whatever we want w/ Spokes. #nycsc
21:18 pm
Cont'd: "So, therefore, we are empowered to continue this way as a Spokescouncil. And it seems many approve of this format.."
21:18 pm
Cont'd: "…but many working groups have agenda items. But it seems in this forum, we can still do it." #nycsc #ows
21:19 pm
Cont'd: "They can just put their name on the stack, as an working group." Individuals, he says, should be able to stack too. #nycsc #ows
21:20 pm
Chaim cont'd: "We may want to alter the rules regarding the same spoke being able to speak, something like that." #nycsc #ows
21:20 pm
Recognizes a disagreement: "#OWS is the process of self-government, and while we can amend it, it's been working well. I think…" #nycsc #ows
21:21 pm
Cont'd: "…facilitation just wants people to see that there are interruptions, and I think today we see how hard a task facilitation is."
21:21 pm
Cont'd: "Let's thank Facilitation for all the work they do do." Applaues! #nycsc #ows
21:21 pm
Chaim: "Yes, let's thank facilitation, but there are issues w/ facilitation, and there are issues of bias I'd say fairly leveled." #nycsc
21:22 pm
Chaim: "Maybe facilitation could come up when there's a proposal." "This is the best thing that's ever happened in Spokescouncil…" #nycsc
21:22 pm
Cont'd: "…and this couldn't have happened otherwise. But we do have agenda items." #nycsc #ows
21:22 pm
Daniel is next: "I just wanted to say, personally, I haven't been to any of the meetings that happened today; first meeting I've been..."
21:23 pm
Cont'd: "…to today, and personally I think this is really very valuable. I know a lot of ppl came here to participate in spokes, and..."
21:23 pm
Cont'd: "…have agenda items, and reportbacks- it's still possible to do these things, but in terms of moving forward, like you were..."
21:23 pm
Cont'd: "…saying, I think that what we're doing here right now is extremely valuable in moving fwd. The spokescouncils we've had..."
21:24 pm
Cont'd: "…before have been very difficult to get through. Every time there's an agenda item, it breaks down, and I think the reason is..."
21:24 pm
Cont'd: "…that we haven't had a meeting like this. So altho ppl are disappointed, I hope we can see this as valuable in doing that."#nycsc
21:24 pm
Occupy the Youth: "You guys are doing a lot of really important work for our futures that will affect who we are, but you really need to…"
21:25 pm
Cont'd: "We can't be cursing each other and shouting each other down, b/c what does that say? Everyone knows little kids do what their..."
21:25 pm
Cont'd: "..stay focused and help us be ready for the future." If she brought a friend here, they'd have recognized their HS here earlier.
21:25 pm
Cont'd: "…parents do. If this is really what you want us to do, and to participate in this movement, you have to be doing…" #nycsc #ows
21:26 pm
Cont'd: "…a good fucking job." Trish tells her a dollar for every curse and we all laugh. #nycsc #ows
21:26 pm
Cont'd: "People want to see what we're doing, and be encouraged, but at this point in time, I couldn't bring anyone to this…"
21:26 pm
Cont'd: "… (spokescouncil) and expect them to be encouraged. I'm not criticizing, but we need to drop our egos, and step forward..."
21:26 pm
Cont'd: "…so we can really address the issues we have." #nycsc #ows
21:27 pm
Next: He points out we do facilitation every night, and is mad that some folks are still stuck on facilitation on this 1 night. #nycsc #ows
21:27 pm
"We got all these working groups. We got some new ones. We know we supposed to be the 99%, but there's 1%ers in here. So why are we…"
21:28 pm
Cont'd: "…in here if we're just gonna be the 100%?" People haven't gotten some breakfast today: "Let's facilitate them some breakfast!"
21:28 pm
Cont'd: "Let's facilitate them some food. Since y'all wanna keep facilitating." "Now, when we first started, the same group of ppl wanted.."
21:28 pm
Cont'd: "…to X out the homeless. I don't know how they wanted to do that, cuz we still here, you feel me? But now we're all Occupying Wall..
21:29 pm
Cont'd: "..St, but <inaudible>. I'm here to cut that out, we need to be on the same page. Facilitation can facilitate a lot of good things..
21:29 pm
Cont'd: "…who cares if it's a GA or a spokescouncil? It's a spokescouncil -- let's speak, and then we can council later." #nycsc #ows
21:30 pm
Cont'd: "Let's all do the right thing. It's not that hard. Everybody got a little bit of greed in them; we know tht. So we 100% here."#nycsc
21:30 pm
Next, Pauly. "So, this has been interesting; I don't usually come to these things; I apologize." #nycsc #ows
21:30 pm
Pauly will make an announcement, and tho he wants to have a speech and tell us we're doing a good job, "I'm horrible at these things." LULZ
21:31 pm
Cont'd: "Their job is to give you a bandage and wash yr eyes out during a march. They're not qualified to diagnose; they're not.." #nycsc
21:31 pm
Pauly: "We did split the Clinic Group and Street Medic Crew from each other, b/c the Street Medic crew's level of care is street level care"
21:31 pm
Cont'd: "…qualified to give you any sort of drugs, or write prescriptions. Just to make that very very clear." #nycsc #ows
21:32 pm
Apparently folks have been claiming to be medics when they're not. "Best thing to do if you're not sure if you have a medic in front of.."
21:32 pm
Cont'd: "…you is to call the group." "I know we're in a horizontal movement, but medicine is one of those areas where you have ppl's lives..
21:32 pm
Cont'd: "..on the line. I wish I could say I'm a Dr right now, but there are people who are Drs who have worked really hard to get there."
21:33 pm
So, the Clinic will provide that higher level of care. "So, if you or anybody you know is in need of free health care, you need to..."
21:33 pm
Cont'd: "…be evaluated, have no health care, or you have something going on -- " he gets uncomfortable and we laugh knowingly. "You know."
21:34 pm
Cont'd: "The plan is by next week, my goal is to have a phone so you guys can actually call the medical clinic." #nycsc #ows
21:34 pm
Cont'd: "I left my phone # on the ComHub window; if you need a doctor, feel free to call me, but not at like 3:00 AM." #nycsc #ows
21:34 pm
Cont'd: "We're looking to put together 4 mobile clinics, MCUs-- will be at protests, churches, actions, Zuccotti, which brings up 1 thing.."
21:35 pm
Cont'd: "…I need y'all to do: call Brookfield Properties and ask them why we're not allowed to provide free medical care in the park."#nycsc
21:35 pm
Cont'd: "We don't have tents; we're following the rules; we have licensed professionals that just want to offer a hand." #nycsc
21:35 pm
Cont'd: "On my sign, it says: for all in need, even the NYPD." Lulz. They'll test the clinics and then at churches/shelters, Drs do rounds.
21:36 pm
"Some of the churches, we will have nurses there to do take-ins", especially for bedbugs and scabies and stuff. #nycsc #ows
21:37 pm
Cont'd: "If you have a space, or a connection, get in touch." Trish asks what # records they lost in raid… he can't say, working w/ lawyers.
21:37 pm
CQ: "How many fake medics you got?" Lulz. "How many fake medics?" "No, like, running around? How do I know? Serious question." #nycsc
21:38 pm
A: "Street medics are going to run around to make sure that doesn't happen anymore. You can always get ID from a Doc or nurse.." #nycsc
21:38 pm
A cont'd: "..but if some dude is just like, "hey, let me check you out"… you better know where they're coming from." Laffs. #nycsc #ows
21:38 pm
A: "If you ask someone just claiming they're a doctor for their AMA #, they probably won't know what that is." #nycsc #ows
21:39 pm
@weloveOccupyNap Spokescouncil is more of a collective thing, so working groups get on stack rather than individuals, normally.
21:40 pm
CQ: "If I come to you and need an X-ray… how do you do referrals if I don't have $?" A: "Good question-- and, y'all kind of have to bear.."
21:40 pm
Cont'd: "…with us; we're kind of re-establishing ourselves right now. But we do have the ability to find you that x-ray, and we're working..
21:40 pm
Cont'd: "..with outside groups, who can't have an agenda but do want to show support." So, they can do stuff. #nycsc #ows
21:41 pm
Cont'd: "We don't have all the equipment, but a lot of our doctors are very, very good." Go to hospital for emergencies though! #nycsc #ows
21:42 pm
CQ: "How many digits is a DEA #? (oh, not AMA)." A: Answerer actually recommends not asking for that, says they're all licensed...
21:42 pm
Cont'd: "..we're working on some kind of patch; you can ask if they're w/ clinic or w/ medics; clinics all vetted, licensed." #nycsc #ows
21:43 pm
CQ: "Can we post names of ppl? Or come to Spokes and show all faces?" A: "Names are an idea," bt points out there are like 50 nurses! #nycsc
21:44 pm
CQ: "Is there an OB/GYN on staff?" A: "No, I'm really trying to get 1, if you know one, tell me." Also trying to get a dentist. #nycsc #ows
21:46 pm
CQ: "Is there a # we can reach you at ?" A: "Actually, if you need a medic", unified dispatch: <if you need it get at us>. #nycsc #ows
21:46 pm
Next, they're going to have doctors work w/ NLG to document police brutality and have doctor sign off on those evaluations. #nycsc #ows
21:47 pm
They'll wear orange hats, will say Medical Observer! And all Drs will wear either scrubs or a white coat when on duty. #nycsc #ows
21:48 pm
@weloveOccupyNap yeah this is spokes. it's in a weird format today, facilitation sitting out. GA is Sat Sun Tues Thurs, Spokes other days
21:48 pm
Next: "CT Butler pointed out we're raised in a competitive, ego-driven structure, and what we're doing in working cooperatively really.."
21:48 pm
Cont'd: "…works against what we're used to doing." And, from a woman's perspective, "we're trying to put a girdle on something full..."
21:48 pm
Cont'd: "…and beautiful and round and not necessarily in need of a girdle. We missed a step, and we're making up for that step today."
21:49 pm
Cont'd: "We missed the step where we got to know each other before we became, like, a movement and stuff." #nycsc #ows
21:50 pm
She remembers the first WoW meeting- she suggested a name game, and "do you know the answer I got? 'No, we need to find out where we're..'
21:50 pm
Cont'd: "…sleeping tonight'. We can't do that to each other." "I haven't facilitated since that time in a GA in the rain when ppl were..."
21:50 pm
Cont'd: "…just screaming random shit. So when spokesmodel came out, I was really psyched that we'd get to talk to each other all in the..."
21:50 pm
Cont'd: "…same room. I'm not the only one who was psyched about that. We need structure. It's not that there's something wrong w/ the GA…"
21:50 pm
Cont'd: "…or that there's something wrong with the spokescouncil, or structure, it's that we skipped a step! And we're doing it now..."
21:51 pm
Cont'd: "…and I don't think it's going to happen in this one session. So we do need a spokescouncil, and I think we should..."
21:51 pm
Cont'd: "…fucking empower it already, so we can make some fucking decisions!" Proposes we do *this* once a week, tho. #nycsc #ows
21:52 pm
Next, Rene: "I want to echo so many of the beautiful things that were said, and things that I disagreed with, but I just want to tell you.."
21:53 pm
Cont'd: "..where I'm coming from, b/c ppl think I'm always 'music music music', and that seems frivolous. Bt whatevr, it can bring us unity"
21:53 pm
Rene tells us that she was here late, on week 2, because "she had no faith." She had to forbid her son from coming to #OWS b/c all he...
21:54 pm
Cont'd: ..wanted to do was serve people. And her 14-year-old, working on Sanitation, "the first eviction scare, we worked til 2am..."
21:54 pm
Cont'd: "…and then got up the next day, and then had meetings til 2am the next night" -- she says, this is why it hurts her when ppl say...
21:55 pm
Cont'd: ..they're not occupiers. "My sons won't have anything to do with this anymore; when we came back from break, they wouldn't..."
21:55 pm
Cont'd: "…allow him to help." Crushed his spirits. "I'm about to be fired, and when I'm homeless, am i going to be shunned by people..."
21:56 pm
Cont'd: "…who shun organizers - when I'm fucking up at home, because I'm sleep-deprived… this is going to be like one of those stories.."
21:56 pm
Cont'd: "…you here, and yes, it's gonna be me. And yes, I'm an educated person, and I'm a teacher to improve the world, but I can't do..."
21:57 pm
Cont'd: "…that, because system is so fucked up." She wants us to appeal to America, impassionately speaks against "diversity of tactics".
21:57 pm
Cont'd: "The whole world is watching? We need to chant that at ourselves in the mirror a few times." Applause. #nycsc #ows
21:58 pm
Next, Coordinators' meeting happens every morning at 9am at 60 Wall. #nycsc #ows
21:58 pm
Anthony: "We only have half an hour left, and we still have, like, 50 people on stack. Let's keep it as short as we can." #nycsc #ows
21:59 pm
Next: "I've been working on coordinating churches, and doing some housing, this and that -- being real for a second; keeping up these.."
21:59 pm
Cont'd: "…churches is really expensive. It's complicated, churches have other shit going on." Notes that it's getting cold and churches...
21:59 pm
Cont'd: …could kick us out any time. "We have to work really hard, remember what's going on, how we've gotten to know each other..."
22:00 pm
Cont'd: "…and do it again, because we just don't have the time to bullshit. People can die, people get sick, because people are homeless."
22:00 pm
Cont'd: "If you have real possibilities for long-term housing, it's REAL IMPORTANT you come to meeting at 12pm Sundays!" #nycsc #ows
22:00 pm
Cont'd: "I'm a union organizer, been in movement for long time. One of our #1 principles is we get to know each other; it's about..."
22:01 pm
Cont'd: "…relationships and trust. It's more about getting us into same room; we're finally getting to know each other." #nycsc #ows
22:01 pm
Cont'd: "Also, do you know about burnout?" We laugh. "I couldn't go to a protest for the year. It will hit you like a brick." #nycsc #ows
22:01 pm
Cont'd: "You don't know when [burn-out's] coming - it's like a cop! It'll hit you like a brick, and it hurts!" #nycsc #ows
22:02 pm
Next, Jane, w/ Immigrant Worker Justice working group. 2 sunday events- next Sunday, "a teach-in, 12-4, 61 Broadway, re: immigrant workers."
22:04 pm
Cont'd: "At that event, lunch is provided, and Spanish translation as well." On Sun 18th, we'll have a rally @ 1:30 PM re: immigrant rights.
22:06 pm
Cont'd: "Anybody's rights are human rights, and we should all care for them." #nycsc #ows
22:06 pm
Cont'd: "I think we should be against war, not just because it's too much money- I was born in a war, so I know..."
22:06 pm
Cont'd: "…there's no food, and you have to run to bomb shelters in the middle of the night." Agrees we should all know more about each other
22:06 pm
Cont'd: "We all have different problems, different backgrounds, and we should all tell each other about that so we know each other." #nycsc
22:07 pm
Lily: "Thank you all for listening, b/c it's not just about having an oppty to speak; we can speak til we're blue, but if we don't listen.."
22:08 pm
Cont'd: "…it's a waste of time." On 12/9, 6:30pm, you can go to Brooklyn Free School,372 Clinton Ave, there'll be NLG lawyers w/ info for...
22:08 pm
Cont'd: …undocumented immigrants, immigration questions, and answers to questions about participating in actions. #nycsc #ows
22:09 pm
Also an action supporting immigrants on 18th- @blogdiva, who hopefully knows details I missed, says the conference will work around it.
22:09 pm
Someone suggests we need to socialize; someone asks "what's everyone doing Saturday? Maybe we should go to Park and talk." #nycsc #ows
22:10 pm
Next: "I came here about 10 wks ago, and when I started hearing about #OWS, I wasn't sure exactly what I was gonna do." #nycsc
22:10 pm
Cont'd: "I quickly decided, after seeing a little bit more, that it was where I needed to be; been waiting since about 13 years old when…"
22:11 pm
Cont'd: "…I looked around the world and realized the massive injustice in the world, that everyone in this room suffers from. And we…"
22:11 pm
Cont'd: "..deal w/ it so much that we don't know there's anything different possible." #nycsc #ows
22:11 pm
Cont'd: He left his house, dog, job, to be here. "I love it here. The worst day is a beautiful day; whatever we're doing, I've never seen.."
22:12 pm
Cont'd: "…a more amazing group of people coming together to figure it out in my life." #nycsc #ow
22:12 pm
Cont'd: "I stood back and waited to see where I could fit, and sure enough, I've started to fit in a few places." #nycsc #ows
22:12 pm
Cont'd: "I'm going to stay til the last person leaves. I'm looking for a job, thinking about school - and I just meet the most awesome ppl."
22:13 pm
Cont'd: "We don't have enough times like this, when we just sit and talk. I think that some of these are the most influential, diverse..."
22:13 pm
Cont'd: "…and powerful people in the world in this room. The most powerful room in the world, and they know it!" #nycsc #ows
22:13 pm
Cont'd: Notes that justice system is evil, education is failing - but we're going to solve it. "Most of the ppl locked up should be here."
22:14 pm
Cont'd: "They're disenfranchised by other systems within systems, which are failing." Education, health care, wage. #nycsc #ows
22:14 pm
Cont'd; "I was talking to a friend in Florida yesterday, and her husband was saying, 'before this is over, there'll be blood in the streets'
22:15 pm
@bebird Pls visit nycga.net, all of the working groups and meetings are on there.
22:15 pm
Cont'd: "And I said, wait a minute -- there's tons of blood in the street. 500,000 people died in Iraq." #nycsc #ows
22:15 pm
Cont'd: "And then women's issues -- if you turn on the TV, it's a women's issue." Nan says "hey", he says "what?"- "just be careful is all."
22:15 pm
Cont'd: He's disgusted by individuals who come in and point out, stick to problems we have. "These ugly people who are potentially..."
22:15 pm
Cont'd: "…stopping us from stopping the death of people in Iran or elsewhere that may be next, because they just love to stick in the..."
22:16 pm
Cont'd: "…problems here, and can't get out of themselves. Not to mention that the goal here is *progress*, not *perfection." #nycsc #ows
22:16 pm
Cont'd: "We have a great machine, but the window-wiper sticks! If we throw the whole machine away b/c the wiper sticks, we have a problem."
22:17 pm
Cont'd: "It's self-correcting; we can fix it, but we have to fucking move. If you want to stick in problems, I don't want to know."
22:17 pm
Cont'd: "If you're not emotionally, socially capable of doing the right thing, recuse yourself. B/c we have things to do." Applause. #nycsc
22:18 pm
Cont'd: "Or, learn how to control yourself, " etc - he speaks about how we are folks he expects to know the rest of his life. Chills. #nycsc
22:18 pm
Cont'd: "Or if you're the person who wants to be the leader of the angry people, check yourself." #nycsc #ows
22:19 pm
Nan gave him a look, so he asked her why. "We have other people on stack." Anthony: "Now that matters to you?" 20sec loud applause. #nycsc
22:19 pm
Cont'd: Wrapping up: "Once we get this car up and running, there's nothing we can't do." More applause. #nycsc #ows
22:20 pm
Next, Katie thanks us for making the sacrifice to be here. "This is the most exciting thing that's happened in my entire life." #nycsc
22:21 pm
Cont'd: "I'm so proud to say I'm a part of #OWS, and that I can get to know all of you." #nycsc #ows
22:21 pm
Cont'd: "We wouldn't be here if we weren't sensitive ppl, and so sensitive ppl getting together are gonna have friction right?" #nycsc
22:21 pm
Cont'd: "But friction is motion, and the intensity of the friction relates to the mass of the bodies in motion!" #nycsc #ows
22:21 pm
Asking: "If you see something, do something?" Tired of hearing "you know what you need to do?" #nycsc #ows
22:22 pm
Cont'd: "Obviously, you're the first person to notice it, so please, offer your services!" "If you see something, do something!" #nycsc #ows
22:22 pm
Tech: "We need help! We have a hard time reaching out to ppl on a personal level, and it's very impt we get info to you." #nycsc #ows
22:24 pm
Cont'd: "We have issues b/c we don't get info from WGs that we need to give it to you. If you don't put it on the website, it's not..."
22:24 pm
Cont'd: "…getting to other people." Also working to have computers at 60 walls but need vols to keep track. Meet SunTuesThurs at 8pm, 60Wall
22:25 pm
Last Comm Cluster is working on a proposal, they meet at 60 Wall too but I missed the time. NYCGA.NET! #nycsc #ows
22:26 pm
Next, Nan! "I'd like to say thank you to every 1 of you for doing this. This is what I've been shouting out. I'm so used to family..."
22:26 pm
[TECH RULES. I <3 TECH. NYCGA.NET / OCCUPYWALLSTREET.NET / OCCUPY.NET 4EVA ] #nycsc #ows
22:27 pm
Cont'd: "…meetings in my family, where we yell, express ourselves, come back together, yell, express, become family. When I yell and..."
22:27 pm
Cont'd: "…scream at you guys, don't take it negatively. I have so much love and passion for this movement, I have to bitchslap some of you..
22:27 pm
Cont'd: "…but (something). I'm speechless. I feel like I don't know you guys. After the park, I said what the hell is going on?" #nycsc
22:28 pm
Cont'd: "And we come here, agenda thrown at us, some feel left out, some feel caught int he middle. I feel caught in the middle." #nycsc
22:28 pm
Cont'd: "…shouting is 'bitch, come together!' - that's what I was shouting." References mention of not leaving comrades.. #nycsc #ows
22:28 pm
Cont'd: "I understand the homeless people, but at the same time, I'm here w/ you guys, and I feel caught in the middle. What I was..."
22:29 pm
Cont'd: "My father said, make friends for life; die with those friends. I don't like backstabbers. If I don't know you, if you don't open.."
22:29 pm
Cont'd: "…I will push that button until I find out. But tonight, I thank you. I honestly thank you. I feel like a burden has been lifted…"
22:29 pm
Cont'd: "…but my question is, what next after this? Are we going to go back where we were? Or are we going to move fwd on this?" #nycsc
22:30 pm
Cont'd: Suggests we get those we left behind back, so we can have all of our vision, "not my vision; so we can GET these motherfuckers."
22:30 pm
Cont'd: "One of the things we lack at this moment is trust. If you don't know somebody, you can't trust them. You don't know somebody's..."
22:30 pm
Cont'd: "…pain until we know their pain." She says many say she doesn't like her, but she can bitchslap them, she doesn't care. #nycsc #ows
22:31 pm
Cont'd: "You can hate me, I don't care. But I'd die for this movement. Now, are you going to do the same thing? Thank you." Applause! #nycsc
22:32 pm
New person: I was there the night the Spokes came into existence and I saw the Structure group work hard to pitch their idea … #nycsc #ows
22:33 pm
Cont'd: And I liked the idea of Spokes, but I haven't seen the Structure WG since then. #nycsc #OWS
22:34 pm
Cont'd: I would like to see a definitive, detailed process for how to deal with disrupters so we don't keep getting derailed. #nycsc #ows
22:35 pm
Cont'd: Also, I'd like to see a process where proposals are tabled until we deal with disrupters' concerns. #ows #nycsc
22:35 pm
Cont'd: Announcement: Last Sunday at GA a man said he was going to create group to block anything that came up. #ows #nycsc
22:36 pm
Cont'd: "So, in the interest of transparency, I just want y'all to know that." #nycsc #ows
22:36 pm
(Thanks to @carriem213 for taking over for a minute so I could take a break). #nycsc #ows
22:37 pm
Trish announces that she has a Google Group for her GA Council, designed to build and enhance the GA. #nycsc #ows
22:37 pm
Trish: "When Spokescouncil was built, the GA group was established too." #nycsc #ows
22:38 pm
If you're interested, it's nycgacouncil@gmail.com. #nycsc #ows
22:38 pm
Next, Lopey: "I'm an artist; I also go by moniker LMNOP. I was raised by hippies; I don't have diamonds on the soles of my shoes..."
22:39 pm
Cont'd: "I learned civil disobedience from my aunt, who was arrested on White House lawn when she was a kid." #nycsc #ow
22:40 pm
Cont'd: "So, I wanted to greet you all, and thank you for being part of this. And I wanted to greet the agitators, and the NYPD…" #nycsc
22:40 pm
Cont'd: "…infiltrators, and let you know that if you're an infiltrator, you'll probably be won over because we're so awesome." #nycsc #ows
22:40 pm
Cont'd: "O4O, organizing for occupation, are putting people back into foreclosed homes, doing eviction defense, they're amazing, and.."
22:40 pm
Cont'd: "..they're operating on the Spokescouncil; there's no arguing, they get shit done." Thinks we can, now, as well. #nycsc #ows
22:41 pm
Chanelle is going to pass, but does suggest we come to consensus about having something like this once a week... #nycsc #ows
22:41 pm
Cont'd: "…because in order to move on, we need to address a lot of things, and there have to be lots here to do that." #nycsc #ows
22:41 pm
Cont'd: "I'm overwhelmed but thank you for doing this." #nycsc #ows
22:42 pm
Kitchen: "One thing that will help us move fwd is to finish eating this bread pudding!" Or help her at end. #nycsc #ows
22:42 pm
Next, Bobby! From Accounting. "I wish this man was still here, the guy who spoke, who asked about Structure." #nycsc #ows
22:43 pm
Cont'd: "I was on the original structure, the group that met to form a structure group, and the group that met to form a group to form it."
22:43 pm
Cont'd: "But, this is the General Assembly. It's not specifically a facilitation process at Zuccotti Park." #nycsc #ows
22:43 pm
Cont'd: "What we're doing right now is what we used to call Soapboxing; it's what we used to do at the end of GA, until they got so long.."
22:43 pm
Cont'd: "…that proposals went til 2 in the morning, and we just stopped. We should definitely do it." #nycsc #ows
22:44 pm
Cont'd: "The reason we formed this- soapboxing like this feels great, but the problem is this body changes constantly." #nycsc #ows
22:44 pm
Cont'd: "So, it's not the solution to all problems. Spokescouncil was formed b/c specifically when we had the park -- the reason I..."
22:45 pm
Cont'd: "…to discuss before we go broke, Legal has some, Housing has some." #nycsc #ows
22:45 pm
Cont'd: "…mention that is that if we wanted to consense on something that matters -- Finance has proposals in queue that we need..."
22:45 pm
Cont'd: "The very specific idea [for spokescouncil] was that if the WGs were separate from GAs, GAs could do this, and spokescouncil.."
22:45 pm
Cont'd: "..could deal w/ these hard problems." Notes that Spokescouncil proposal does allow us to remove people to stay productive. #nycsc
22:46 pm
Cont'd: "If we did do this, it might get easier." Suggests that we might have list of folks at door. #nycsc #ows
22:46 pm
Cont'd: "Now, I'm not advocating that. The problem is that when some person shouts out and speaks up, the response has not been to live..."
22:47 pm
Cont'd: "…then stick with it." Have had ideas for how to deal w/ this before, like in the proposal. #nycsc #ows
22:47 pm
Cont'd: "…with them as disruptive, it's been to shout "stop yelling", which is just as disruptive!" Says we need better form for it...
22:47 pm
Next: "Hey guys. I think everybody's voice in here was right; everybody's voice was inspirational, so I'm sorry I fought so hard..."
22:48 pm
Cont'd: "…against it before. However, if you know me, you know I always say 'structure leads to action'." #nycsc #ows
22:48 pm
Cont'd: "That's why I'm in favor of facilitation; it lets that happen. I was in favor of spokes; it lets that happen." #nycsc #ows
22:48 pm
Cont'd: "What happened here too was pretty great as well." Proposes we unite this format w/ real spokes process. #nycsc #ows
22:49 pm
Next: "OK, so if y'all think spokes is difficult, y'all should fuckin' meet my family." #nycsc #ows
22:49 pm
Cont'd: "I'll tell you 1 thing about a provocateur: it takes 2 to fight. What he just said about yelling back at someone? You think.."
22:50 pm
Cont'd: "..you're smart? You're not smart. When you stop yelling, they'll continue for 2 minutes and then stop." #nycsc #ows
22:50 pm
Cont'd: "Sometimes I hate my twin brother, but sometimes I just let him say his peace." #nycsc #ows
22:50 pm
Cont'd: "Sage isn't here, but -- I don't like the way he disrupts process, but sometimes I'm like, "Shit, Sage is right."" #nycsc #ows
22:50 pm
Someone says, "Don't tell Sage about that." Speaker: "You've got to kill them with kindness. If they're a provocateur…" #nycsc #ows
22:51 pm
Cont'd: "Last week, my doorknob broke. And instead of throwing it out and getting a new doorknob, I fixed the doorknob." #nycsc #ows
22:51 pm
Cont'd: "…let them talk, and then we'll fucking move on. The key to all of this is compromise." #nycsc #ows
22:52 pm
Cont'd: "This is probably the best spokes ever, and I'm honored to be in this room with all of you right now." #nycsc #ows
22:52 pm
Cont'd: "On Friday, let's show up and do all of this again. Maybe not same form, same process, but let's love each other just as much."
22:52 pm
Next: "This is beautiful." He has a joke, a reverse knock-knock joke: "Everybody say knock-knock." We do. "Who's there?" #nycsc #ows
22:52 pm
"I love you all! You stubborn bastards, I love you." #nycsc #ows
22:53 pm
"We are your family. Please get to know your family, and most importantly, please tell people what the fuck happened here today!" CHEERS!
22:53 pm
That's it fam! Closed the mic up so we can clean before we bounce. Another Spokes! A different kind of spokes. Love love love. #nycsc #ows
22:55 pm
RT @LibertySqGA4: Cont'd: "…getting to other people." Also working to have computers at 60 walls but need vols to keep track. Meet SunTu ...
23:13 pm
23:13 pm
@wavewatchr Half as easy as #GeneralAssembly, b/c #SpokesCouncil doesn't normally use the human mic. <3
23:29 pm
RT @DiceyTroop: #OWS Spokescouncil tonight was really amazing! Hope you caught it on @LibertySqGA thru @LibertySqGA4. Or catch the LiveS ...
23:29 pm
RT @DiceyTroop: #OWS Spokescouncil tonight was really amazing! Hope you caught it on @LibertySqGA thru @LibertySqGA4. Or catch the LiveS ...